Magic Cap Users Mailing List

Tuesday October 15, 1996

From: "David Devaney, Jr." <daviddjr@SHADOW.NET>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 03:35:56 -0400
Subject: Re: multimedia telecards

On Sun, 13 Oct 1996 09:17:04 -0700, Steve Eyler
Jr. wrote:

>Bogus.  There have been probably three or four such replies.  I get the AOL
>message all the time, but of course that is to be expected as AOL strips
>graphics on the way out to it's Internet gateway.  But this looks like someone
>wrote their eMail usint Presto and I just can't decode it?  Any ideas?

That is exactly the case.  I did use presto and
left the "Reply" stamp on the card, which would
have been the encoded info.  I have had this
problem too where the encoded "Magic" doesn't
come through for some reason.  AOL does strip
before going out the Gateway.  Occasionally if a
message with "Magic" wasn't retrieved properly,
that is with the extras, it will be left on my
server by Presto so it can be tried again later.
I have no idea why Presto doesn't decode it
though.  Maybe it is just line noise or bad
packets or something along those lines.
David Devaney, Jr.
daviddjr@shadow.net

From: Bill Berthoud <billb@MV.MV.COM>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:28:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Keyboard, Keyboard, Anybody?

> So, in an earlier message I mentioned the complete lack of
> keyboards for the PIC-2000 (or any other PIC for that
> matter). I was planning on actually communicating with the
> magic link, but I've got to tell you that the keyboard link
> via Magic Exchange must be running at about 45 baud, because
> I type about 90 WPM and it just can't keep up at all. Is the
> Windows version any better? Or is this the situation with
> the thing, and that's it.

There are 3 different modes for MX keyboard - Key, Return, and Send (Key
is the default).  Key mode sends each character as you type it, which
obviously is the least efficient.  Return mode buffers up characters and
transmits them all when the Return key is pressed.  Send buffers up
characters, including Return, sending the characters when the Send button
is clicked.

In answer to the last question, the Windows version is somewhat better,
though the nature of the protocol used with Magic Cap makes it effectively
impossible to touch type when using Key mode on either Mac or Windows.

  Bill Berthoud             billb@mv.mv.com
  IntelliLink Corporation   http://www.ilink-corp.com/

From: Martin Focazio <martyf@NEOGRAPHIC.COM>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 09:01:13 -0300
Subject: Re: Keyboard, Keyboard, Anybody?

Marty Focazio Said:
>> magic link, but I've got to tell you that the keyboard link
>> via Magic Exchange must be running at about 45 baud, because

and Bill Berthoud  said:
>There are 3 different modes for MX keyboard - Key, Return, and Send (Key

then Marty Focazio said:

I have used the buffering modes and found that I spend as much time waiting
for the thing to digest the buffer as I do in Key mode.  Is it that slow
with a regular keyboard attached?

Martin T. Focazio  Senior Producer  Neographic, Inc.
martyf@neographic.com www.neographic.com/staff/martyf
212-633-6649 x37 (f)212-633-6550
22 West 19 St. 9th Floor  New York, NY 10011

From: OAKQM3 <OAKQM3@OAKQM3.SPS.MOT.COM>
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 11:12:53 U
Subject: Rejected by Custodian

Mail*Link(r) SMTP               BAMCUG #4

                      THE BAMCUG#4 MEETING
                  Copyright 1996 by Shawn Jipp

The meeting was held on Thursday, September 26 at 7:00 PM.  Seven
GM Magicians attended, 2 people from Sony New Technologies in
Monterey, and 7 of us common folks (i.e. customers).

The meeting started off with a surprise as Al Salerno had loaned
me his notebook and I slid it back across the large table after I
had torn a piece of paper from it.  The pad hit a bottle of
mineral water sitting on the table (GM had once again fed us
pizza and sodas).  The bottle fell over pouring it's contents all
over the table.  Luckily it missed soaking the high tech (and
expensive) speaker phone that was on the table laying just next
to it.

Brenda Holloway from Sony New technologies was the guest speaker.
She described and demonstrated most all of the applications and
games that she has written for the Magic Cap platform.  We also
found out that Brenda's WEBFOOT program is currently being
'productized' by General Magic.   It was further revealed that
Brenda is working on a future version of Presto! Links/Mail as
Sony New Technologies is under contract by General Magic to
improve this software.  I was happy to learn that an even better
version will one day arrive into our hot little hands.

Brenda also showed a pre-release of "Scriptorium" (I don't know
about that name!) which takes HTML files from certain WEB pages
and makes neat little books using the notebook format.

Mark announced that there will be a developers conference
December 4-6, 1996 at the Westin Hotel in Santa Clara.  He said
anyone could attend.  The only thing keeping me from going is
that the registration costs at least a couple of hundred dollars!

We learned that the new CEO that has come to General Magic from
Novell is an engineer (some magicians even called him a 'rocket
scientist'!).  He is not from a marketing or sales background but
is indeed from a technical background.  The hope is that he will
be able to help General Magic sell their technologies for a
profit.

During the question and answers segment I complained that since
installing the Ricochet modem, Presto! Mail would leave all of
the messages on the server and not remove them after I download
(read) them.  It also would bypass certain messages saying that
it was doing this 'per the rules that I had selected'.  Mike
Matrix quickly responded that the default rule was to leave
messages on the server and that the default settings were to
bypass any message bigger than 10K.  Jon Heinz then responded
that it was in the manual or else he would not have been able to
figure it out.  I admit it has been awhile since I read the
manual.  Mike went on to explain that I need to drop a rules
stamp onto the ISP setup and change them.  I asked for a future
version of Presto! Mail to change the default settings to remove
mail from server and allow larger mail to be downloaded.  On
second thought, I see no reason why when one is setting up a new
ISP in the Presto! Diner it should not put the rules stamp onto
the page automatically.  At least it should be more obvious.

Sue Ann Pratt took down my suggestions.  She is the marketing
manager for the Presto! products.  If you agree (or disagree)
with my suggestions, or have those of your own, send them to her
at:  pratt@genmagic.com.

General Magic T-shirts were distributed by Mark Harlan.  Since
there wasn't one small enough for my 9 year old son, a General
Magic Cap was substituted.

During the meeting I used a Ricochet modem and Presto! Links to
find a WEB site that had the actual time of the lunar eclipse
since several of us had heard conflicting times mentioned by the
media.  At 8:15PM we took an 'eclipse break' to wonder out behind
the General Magic building to view the lunar eclipse.  I had
brought my binoculars but viewing it with the naked eye was just
as good in my opinion.

The latest General Magic press release was concerning the Magic
Internet Developers Kit that had shipped 2 weeks earlier.  This
was created by Josh Carter and is available free for downloading
on the General Magic WEB site.

I then began to ask the usual blunt and unanswerable questions
such as:  "Are there any companies that will be releasing a PDA
based on Magic Cap V2.0?"  Mark cringed as usual and I assured
him that I had only a few more questions.  I got the usual "We
can't comment on that."  At least I tried.

At the end of the meeting Josh announced and demonstrated his
latest creation called "CujoChat."  If I may briefly talk like
one who is much younger than I, THIS PROGRAM IS AWESOME AND
TOTALLY COOL!  Imagine being able to log into an IRC channel
(like a chat room on AOL) and type to others from around the
world. in nearly real-time.  If you do not know anything about
IRQ then go onto the Internet and perform a few searches on IRQ.
Read the FAQ on IRQ.  Coupled with a Ricochet wireless modem
(currently available only in the S.F. Bay Area and Seattle) one
can take their communication ability to new places (literally).
I hope to write about the experience in a Bay Area Microtimes
Magazine article in a few months.

Josh gave two of us the CujoChat program.  I assumed that he had
put it onto the GM WEB site for downloading or would the next day
since this was a Thursday night.  I of course then sent out a
message to the Magic Cap mail list telling everybody why they
should download this freeware program.  The next day I was
barraged with email from people that could not find the program
and needed the URL.  These messages were forwarded  to Josh.  I
found out that he had not yet put the program on their server as
he wanted to write the documentation first before releasing the
product.  I apologized to everyone on the mail list for the
mistake and the program has since been released so go get it!

As a side-note, I have also since downloaded a program for the PC
called "mIRQ."  It is a shareware program from an author in
London, England.  It is a full featured chat program that runs
under Windows 3.11 or Win95.  It also works great.

Josh plans to host the next BAMCUG meeting live using a MAC and
an IRC  chat program.  This will allow all Magic Cap users
worldwide to participate in the meeting at least in spirit,  if
not in body.  You too can now telecommute to the meeting.  More
on this later.

The next BAMCUG meeting will be held on Thursday, October 24th,
at General Magic, which is located at 420 N. Mary Avenue,
Sunnyvale, CA at 7:00 PM sharp. The meeting will be simulcast on
IRQ channel #MAGIC-CAP.  The guest speaker will be Neil Byrne
from Metricom of Los Gatos, California.  Neil will be
demonstrating the Ricochet wireless modem, telling us how EXACTLY
it works, where next in the country that it will be available,
and what it costs.

See you then.
///////Shawn Jipp
Personal Email=sjipp@ix.netcom.com
Work Email=apps@nanometrics.com
Home=(408)736-5477
Work=(408)746-1600 X109

From: Jacqueline Curry <Live4Words@AOL.COM>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 13:25:33 -0400
Subject: 'Snap' function

[This message may have contained graphics created by a Magic Cap device on
America Online.]

Dear MAGICCAP List,

If you hit the option button while in the magic lamp, you will see a function
pop out called 'snap' that takes a 'picture' of what you're seeing.  Is there
a reason for this, or just a diversion?  Curious...

From: Paul Czarnecki <pZ@CUSTOMLINE.COM>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 14:50:16 -0400
Subject: Re: 'Snap' function

>If you hit the option button while in the magic lamp, you will see a function
>pop out called 'snap' that takes a 'picture' of what you're seeing.  Is there
>a reason for this, or just a diversion?  Curious...

drag it somewhere else, now click on it.  Bingo, you are back to where
you took the snap.  It's very handing for navigating between two
"distant" points.  I keep a snap of my calculator in the Notebook.


pZ
--
I don't mind the sun sometimes, the images it shows

From: Bruce Tong <zztong@MAIL.EV.NET>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 15:00:30 -0400
Subject: Re: 'Snap' function

> If you hit the option button while in the magic lamp, you will see a
> function pop out called 'snap' that takes a 'picture' of what you're
> seeing.  Is there a reason for this, or just a diversion?  Curious...

To clarify, you have to hold down the option button when you tap on the
title bar of the magic lamp window to make the 'snap' button appear.

Yes. When you tap on the stamp created by this process, it will take you
to the scene pictured on the stamp. So, if you take a picture of the
Desk scene, then drag that picture to the Hallway, when you tap on the
picture you will be transported to the Desk scene.

If you like this feature, you'll also like the "Favorite Places"
application available on somebody's web site. "Favorite Places" is a
real time saver.

--

Bruce Tong
Systems Programmer
Electronic Vision / Fitne

Work:

Phone : (614) 592-2511
Fax   : (614) 592-2650
mailto:zztong@evi.ev.net
http://www.ev.net/fitne

Play:

mailto:zztong@eurekanet.com
http://www.eurekanet.com/~zztong

From: Paul Linhardt <plin@SONYSOFT.COM>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 12:03:19 -0700
Subject: Re: mags with Sony ML

>It's terribly difficult for me to find 'Pen Computing' magezine near me.  Is
>there another magazine like PC that features Sony ML and other PDA's

For $18/yr you can get a subscription.  As Phyllis mentioned call
(916/984-9947) or go to http://www.pencomputing.com/subscriptions.html.
They also have many articles on the web at http://www.pencomputing.com/
including their Magic Mirror column by Dan Hanttula.

Also Volksware as an web-based magazine called Moblis at
http://WWW.VOLKSWARE.COM/mobilis/.  There is information about their
magazine Pen-based Computing at http://WWW.VOLKSWARE.COM/.

Mobile Computing has both a web site and a magazine.  The web site is at
http://www.mobilecomputing.com/.  I haven't too much coverage in their
magazine on Magic Cap to date.

If you check out our site at http://www.sonysoft.com/magicweb/press.html,
there is a list of press on the web.

-Paul

---------------------
Sony New Technologies
http://www.sonysoft.com
1-800-739-7337
E-mail: plin@sonysoft.com

From: Kirschen Alcyone Seah <kseah@CS.UTEXAS.EDU>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 14:25:22 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Snap' function

>If you hit the option button while in the magic lamp, you will see a function
>pop out called 'snap' that takes a 'picture' of what you're seeing.  Is there
>a reason for this, or just a diversion?  Curious...

The nice thing about the pictures is that they become 'hot links'
to the scene which they were taken from.

-- Kirschen

From: Luke Derossi <lderossi@comcat.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 15:16:59 -0400
Subject: Re: 'Snap' function

Jacqueline Curry wrote:
>
> [This message may have contained graphics created by a Magic Cap device on
> America Online.]
>
> Dear MAGICCAP List,
>
> If you hit the option button while in the magic lamp, you will see a function
> pop out called 'snap' that takes a 'picture' of what you're seeing.  Is there
> a reason for this, or just a diversion?  Curious...

  The 'Snap' function allows you to take a 'snapshot' of the scene you
are currently at.  The resulting stamp is a miniature picture of that
scene which you can bring elsewhere and tap to warp back to that scene.
You can also drop objects on the snapshot to teleport them to that scene
too.


Regards,

Luke Derossi
 for
  General Magic, Inc.

From: Tony SJ <san17@MARS.SUPERLINK.NET>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 15:58:17 -0400
Subject: Is Nimble still ON-LINE?

anyone?

From: Jacqueline Curry <Live4Words@AOL.COM>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:43:07 -0400
Subject: Is Nimble still ON-LINE?

[This message may have contained graphics created by a Magic Cap device on
America Online.]

Dear MAGICCAP List,

From:   san17@MARS.SUPERLINK.NET (Tony SJ):
anyone?

What is Nimble?

From: Tony SJ <san17@MARS.SUPERLINK.NET>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 19:03:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Is Nimble still ON-LINE?

Jacqueline Curry wrote:
>
> [This message may have contained graphics created by a Magic Cap device on
> America Online.]
>
> Dear MAGICCAP List,
>
> From:   san17@MARS.SUPERLINK.NET (Tony SJ):
> anyone?
>
> What is Nimble?

It's a company that made SCRIBE

From: Bob Buchanan <bbuchanan@MONMOUTH.COM>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 20:11:37 -0400
Subject: Presto Mail

I've got a problem with my presto mail. If try to receive my mail, or
get a summary, my PIC2k loggs on and reads the number of messages I
have, the just quits after a few minutes. If I log on through Presto
Links, and connect to a URL, which only works about half the time, then
I can download my mail, maybe half of the time. If I don't connect to a
URL, I get the same symtems as when I just try to get my mail through
Presto Mail. I have a PIC 2000 with 724k free. No other apps loaded
except Magic Exchange.

From: Kevin Fries <kfries@CSN.NET>
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 03:22:14 GMT
Subject: Re: Untitled

On Wed, 9 Oct 1996 22:58:04 -0400, Jacqueline Curry 
wrote:

>[This message may have contained graphics created by a Magic Cap device =
on
>America Online.]
>
>Dear MAGICCAP List,
>
> You are so right, about the lack of ML accessories at stores.  I called=
 and
>> got a list of stores near me (L.I. NewYork) and at each of them, there=
 was
>> only a ML and maybe a keyboard.  Some of the workers there gave you =
that
>> 'deer caught in the headlights' stare when you inquired about the ML.
>
>stop by computer city
>
>
>I did, and the selection they had was pretty much the same: a ML and the
>keyboard

I have always had great luck with SoundTrack and Incredible Universe

HTH
Kevin Fries
kevin_fries@mailzone.com

From: Kevin Fries <kfries@CSN.NET>
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 03:27:11 GMT
Subject: Re: Presto Faxing

On Thu, 10 Oct 1996 16:22:12 +1000, Peter Merel  wrote:

>I recently had occasion to fax a web page to a client; of course my
>first resort was my trusty ML-2k, but I figured that, to be on the safe
>side, I'd try faxing it to a local machine first. I loaded the page into
>presto links, hit the magic lantern, pressed fax and waited expectantly;
>no good.  All it did was produce a wee little notebook page containing
>the first 4 lines of the web page.
>
>So I had a think, and I tried this: I dragged the web page into the tote
>bag, created a new (fax) letter, and dragged the page from the tote bag
>onto the letter. Then I dropped the letter into the outbox and sat back
>with bated breath. Hooray! The page did indeed get faxed, but when it =
came
>out of the machine it was formatted as per standard presto links format =
-
>ie. too skinny for an A4 page and no page breaks.
>
>So, thinks I, this looks like a job for the stretch tool. But, no matter=
 how I
>pressed, pulled and twiddled, I couldn't stretch the web page. I know =
it's a
>lot to ask, and really I was amazed when the second idea worked, but I =
wonder
>if this could be made easier in the next presto links?
>
>And, while I'm wishing, it would be really nice if the next presto links
>would read a local html file. And if presto links would offer to show
>you the html source.  And if magic cap had scrollbars instead of those
>dopey scroll buttons (like, how do you scroll horizontally?).  And ...
>And ...
>
>Just btw, this trick had my newton-accoutred friend salivating with =
envy.
>Another one that stonkered him was when I copied a naughty gif off a web=
 page
>and installed it in my hallway picture. Now if only I could make a copy =
of the
>hallway picure to hang some other places ... and ... and ...
>
>I absolutely LOVE my ML-2k.
>
>Peter Merel.
Peter,
   Do you own, and have you tried InkWriter.  It sounds like the perfect
solution.  I never send a fax except through InkWriter and it constantly
blows people away that my little handheld device actually does that.

HTH

kevin Fries
kevin_fries@mailzone.com

From: Kevin Fries <kfries@CSN.NET>
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 03:43:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Aha!

On Fri, 11 Oct 1996 00:44:17 -0400, Dave Courvoisier 
wrote:

>Aha!'s InkWriter is a fun and useful program, but a word to the wise:  =
In
>trying to access their technical support by e-mail and by land-line
>(10.10.96) I was informed that Aha! had been acquired by Microsoft, and =
they
>were scaling back their operations, and their tech support.  The feeling=
 I
>got was that a response to my question was not likely, and there was no
>mechanism in place right now to help those who own Aha! Inkwriter.
>
>Dave Courvoisier
>Las Vegas

you got it Dave.  Most of Microsoft does not even know about the =
purchase.
I think it is mentioned only twice in the Microsoft internal Knowledge
Base.

Kevin Fries
kevin_fries@mailzone.com

From: Jacqueline Curry <Live4Words@AOL.COM>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 23:53:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Untitled

[This message may have contained graphics created by a Magic Cap device on
America Online.]

Dear MAGICCAP List,

>stop by computer city
>
>
>I did, and the selection they had was pretty much the same: a ML and the
>keyboard

I have always had great luck with SoundTrack and Incredible Universe

HTH
Kevin Fries


Again, I went to Incredible Universe (about a month ago) and, yea you guessed
it.  I never heard of the other store.  I received the new 'J&R
Music/Computer World' catalog and it had ML stuff in it, although the prices
weren't the greatest.

From: Tommy Thorn <Tommy.Thorn@IRISA.FR>
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 06:03:22 +0200
Subject: MagicCap Goban?

Here is an idea for a simple, but very valuable, MagicCap
application.

The game of Go is estimated to more than 2000 years old and still
subject of passionate interest and devotion.  The game is played on a
board of 19x19 lines with black and white stones.  Stones are places
on intersections and are never removed unless captured.  The rules of
the game are very simple and well suited for computer implementation
(fx. 20 lines of simple C).

If anyone is the owner of a MagicCap SDK and with interest, then I'd
be glad to help.  I would do it myself (and more), but I can't afford
the SDK and the Mac needed.

As a humble suggestion of part of game graphics, I give
http://www.irisa.fr/prive/thorn/go/MagicGoban.gif

/Tommy

From: Kevin Fries <kfries@CSN.NET>
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 04:00:55 GMT
Subject: Re: multimedia telecards

On Fri, 11 Oct 1996 17:47:38 -0500, Athanasios Athanasiades
 wrote:

>Dear Magic,
>
>
>Steve Hirst writes:
>
>> And drop me a telecard, this place is way ASCII.
>
>I totally agree with Steve on this last statement. Why isn't everyone =
taking
>advantage of all the wonderful multimedia capabilities that Magic Cap =
offers
>in sending electronic messages? Apart from a few people, like Mark =
Marshall,
>who recently posted an interesting card with a recording of his voice, =
the
>rest of us post in plain ASCII.
>
>I assume that, apart from the AOL subscribers, everyone else has the =
Presto
>package, and thus the ability to post multimedia telecards. This would =
be the
>first multimedia list on the internet, an idea pursued by many during =
the
>PersonaLink days, when it was impossible to materialize. Well, now, =
thanks to
>Presto, it is possible, yet we keep forgeting it.
>
>I understand that many of us use their desktop computers to post  text =
only
>messages.  Hopefully, Magic Cap for Windows will correct the situation =
by
>allowing multimedia capabilities even for a desktop.

But, with MagicCap for Windows not supporting older systems, that still
leaves many of us out.  I do not and will not soon be running Windows95 =
at
home.  Until General Magic gets a clue that more than 40% of desktops =
still
run Win 3.x we are stuck with text only or a huge "Go Away Sign"

Also, the multi-media stuff does not always seem to work.  Maybe when
Presto!Mail 1.5 or 2.0 comes out that would be feasable.  right now it is
not.  I have received many messages that come across blank.  I have also
sent message and was not thinking when I attached a graphic or signature
and received many messages saying that people received blank messages.
There seems to be a problem when sending Magic Mail enhanced messages to
this group, I do not understand why but that seems to be the case.  I =
have
never had this problem when sending directly to someone.  Maybe someone =
can
explain it.

Kevin Fries
kevin_fries@mailzone.com

From: Tommy Thorn <Tommy.Thorn@IRISA.FR>
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 06:06:09 +0200
Subject: MagicCap Goban, addendum

Sorry, I forgot to write: For more information on the game, see
http://ltiwww.epfl.ch/~warkent/go/

/Tommy

From: Luke Derossi <lderossi@comcat.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 00:48:09 -0400
Subject: Re: MagicCap Goban?

Tommy Thorn wrote:
>
> Here is an idea for a simple, but very valuable, MagicCap
> application.
>
> The game of Go is estimated to more than 2000 years old and still
> subject of passionate interest and devotion.  The game is played on a
> board of 19x19 lines with black and white stones.  Stones are places
> on intersections and are never removed unless captured.  The rules of
> the game are very simple and well suited for computer implementation
> (fx. 20 lines of simple C).
>
> If anyone is the owner of a MagicCap SDK and with interest, then I'd
> be glad to help.  I would do it myself (and more), but I can't afford
> the SDK and the Mac needed.
>
> As a humble suggestion of part of game graphics, I give
> http://www.irisa.fr/prive/thorn/go/MagicGoban.gif
>
> /Tommy

   Tommy,

   How do the rules of Go compare to Reversi?  If they're similar, I
think you're right, it would be a fairly straight-forward package to
author.  Probably the most difficult part would be computer AI if you
planned to make a single-player mode.  With that graphic representation,
I'd say you have a good chunk of it already accomplished!  Perhaps we
can do a magicdev mailing list group-effort/learning experience type of
thing.


Regards,

Luke Derossi
 for
  General Magic, Inc.

From: Peter Merel <pete@ZIP.COM.AU>
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 15:36:19 +1000
Subject: Aha Faxing and MagicGoban

Kevin Fries writes,

>   Do you own, and have you tried InkWriter.  It sounds like the perfect
>solution.  I never send a fax except through InkWriter and it constantly
>blows people away that my little handheld device actually does that.

I'm rather a dedicated Graffiti user - it seems a little odd to me, to
say the least, that I should need to change my beloved HWR package just
to get faxes to stretch to a presentable size. Not to say that I might
not consider InkWriter if I was faxing web pages on a regular basis, but
surely there must be someone out there who knows what Magic system-call
Aha is using to do this. A response on magicdst said PenCell has a
similar capability too ...

Tommy Thorn writes,

>The game of Go is estimated to more than 2000 years old and still
>subject of passionate interest and devotion.

Actually, there are phrases in Lao Tse (chapter 33 for example) that
suggest Go may be even older than this - maybe 3-4,000 years old.  It's
certainly the most involving board game on the planet - terribly simple
rules, but strategy so complex that the best computer implementation
can't play as well as a skilled child.

>If anyone is the owner of a MagicCap SDK and with interest, then I'd
>be glad to help.  I would do it myself (and more), but I can't afford
>the SDK and the Mac needed.

I don't have the SDK and I have no experience programming Go games, but
I certainly second this idea - I'd *love* a GoBan, or better yet an SGF
reader, on my ML. The C source for several such programs is freely
available on the net, so most of the effort in doing this would be
adapting the GUI, and a Go GUI can be very simple indeed.

>As a humble suggestion of part of game graphics, I give
>http://www.irisa.fr/prive/thorn/go/MagicGoban.gif

Looks good - and there's an intriguing amount of space left on the right
of the screen for SGF controls or, dare I think it, an NNGS client. I
think the ne-plus-ultra of geekiness would be to ride public transport
around some place like San Francisco, playing Go via MagicGoban, an ML2K,
a Ricochet wireless modem and NNGS with someone half-way around the world ...
spooge ...

Peter Merel.

From: Mark Marshall <maxnight@MHV.NET>
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 02:10:26 -0400
Subject: Re: 'Snap' function

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Date:          Wed, 16 Oct 1996 02:11:37 -0400

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