Magic Cap Users Mailing List
Thursday October 03, 1996
From: Peter Merel <pete@ZIP.COM.AU>
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 21:13:56 +1000
Subject: HELP!!! Presto Applications Ignore Dialing Controls!
HELP!!!!!
I'm in Australia, and have recently purchased an ML2K. I've been having
a lot of fun with the thing, but what I really purchased it for was the
mobile mail/web access and terminal emulation. I got the link at The
Good Guys in San Diego but they had no software for it. So I got a
friend to buy Presto!, the river run terminal emulator and a 2K SRAM
card, and fedex them down to me here.
They arrived today, and I just installed them okay, but I can't get the
damned things to detect the phone line! I've read Paul Linhardt's faq on
international dialing, and as per instructions I've checked the "dial
without waiting for tone" box in the hallway controls. Checking this
means I can use the thing as a phone and a fax machine, but the presto!
applications and magic-connection are ignoring it. I've also tried
prefixing the phone number with a quote, to turn off the auto-dialer,
but no dice.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE HELP! It'd be ridiculous for me to have spent all
this time, trouble and money to get the thing set up, and then have to
give it away because the people at Active Paper and River Run can't
check the dialing settings. A patch, a workaround, or anything else that
will fix this asap is what I want. HELP!!!!
Peter Merel.
From: Undetermined origin c/o LISTSERV maintainer
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 13:08:51 +0000
Subject: looking to buy
Anyone selling any used PIC-1000's. You can reach me at p.mchugh@worldnet.att.net. Thanks.
From: Tony SJ <san17@MARS.SUPERLINK.NET>
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 09:03:54 -0400
Subject: Re: New and exciting gadget!
Buck Sommerkamp wrote:
>
> I just got my MagicLink PIC-1000 from Damark, planning to take full advantage
> of their 60-day trial period. After a week, I'm already hooked! Their price
> was $269 and I found an NP-500H rechargeable battery at a local OfficeMax on
> closeout for $39. Not bad!
>
> My question concerns MagicExchange. I guess at one time, Sony was offering
> the product FREE. Their fax-on-demand service lists it as an available
> document but you can't order the document number (901, harumph). Does anyone
> know who sells MagicExchange...can I find it cheap/closeout/on a bargain
> table, like all the other PIC-1000 stuff? Since most of the freeware and
> goodies I've found for the SML are on the 'net, I guess I'd have to have
> something to transfer downloaded goodies to the SML, and MagicExchange
> appears to be the only way to do that.
>
> The SML sure generates attention whenever I take it into a restaurant and
> work with it over lunch :)
>
> Has anyone discovered a way to duplicate an appointment in week view? For
> instance, I may see an event that I want to copy into other days -- but when
> I click on the event to drag it, it opens up to that day. Please bear with me
> if this is an obvious question!
>
> Great mailing list -- I'm glad to be joining in. Any pearls of wisdom for a
> new user would be appreciated. I can't believe I haven't discovered this
> gadget before the Damark catalog... :)
>
> Buck Sommerkamp
Try Direct Mobile. I think they sell it for 79 bucks.
From: Will Stillwell <SirWill@AIMNET.COM>
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 03:34:41 -0700
Subject: Re: New and exciting gadget!
Buck Sommerkamp wrote:
> My question concerns MagicExchange. I guess at one time, Sony was offering
> the product FREE. Their fax-on-demand service lists it as an available
> document but you can't order the document number (901, harumph). Does anyone
> know who sells MagicExchange...can I find it cheap/closeout/on a bargain
> table, like all the other PIC-1000 stuff? Since most of the freeware and
> goodies I've found for the SML are on the 'net, I guess I'd have to have
> something to transfer downloaded goodies to the SML, and MagicExchange
> appears to be the only way to do that.
Yeah, I know, when I bought my ML I thought I was going to get it for free... Anyhow I
bought mine from a Mail order company called Mac Zone, (they sell the Pc and MAC
Version) for $35. You will probably be looking for a Memory Card before long, You will
want to check out the GRID 2mb SRAM from a Company called REBOOT #201-457-1980. I belive
they currently have the 2mb Card for $69.
Will
From: Dan Free <dharma@ARI.NET>
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 09:50:43 -0400
Subject: Re: CujoChat: IRC for Magic Cap is here!
Fellow Caps,
I hate to bother again, but once more Josh Carter's post to the group (See
below) has come through entirely blank to me. Josh, is it something I said????
I apologize for tuesday's dirndl crack...
Anyway, would someone be kind enough to forward Josh's post to me while I try to
sort this out with my ISP????
Many thanks,
Dan Free
dharma@ari.net
On Wed, 2 Oct 1996, Josh Carter wrote:
>
From: "Steve Eyler Jr." <seyler@GSTIS.NET>
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 08:29:14 -0700
Subject: CujoChat
Can anyone suggest a reliable IRC server that will accept the CujoChat client
from any domain? I'm assuming we'll be using EFNet for #magic-cap? Preferably on the west coast.
THANKS!
Dan Free writes:
> Anyway, would someone be kind enough to forward
> Josh's post to me while I try to sort this out
> with my ISP????
Josh Carter writes:
> CujoChat for Magic Cap is here! Download it and
> read the docs at:
> http://www.genmagic.com/Develop/MagicCap/Internet/
> CujoChat/
> CujoChat is a Internet Relay Chat (IRC) client
> for Magic Cap. IRC is a multi-user, real-time
> conferencing/chat system on the Internet, and
> it's quite a bit of fun to use. As Shawn Jipp
> mentioned earlier, we will IRC-cast the next Bay
> Area Magic Cap Users Group meeting on the
> #magic-cap channel, so those of you not in the
> Bay Area can join in online with CujoChat!
> For more information on CujoChat and IRC, see the
> above URL. To use CujoChat you'll need an
> Internet service provider that allows direct
> dialup-PPP (PAP and CHAP authentication
> supported) and enough memory on your Magic Cap
> communicator to take a 90K package. CujoChat also
> directly supports many external modems, including
> Metricom's Ricochet wireless modem.
> Enough said! Get online and start having a great
> time. I'll try to be on the #magic-cap channel
> tomorrow (as either "flume" or "flume2") and chat
> with some of you.
> Best regards,
> Josh
> p.s. Other stuff: Like CujoTerm (the terminal
> program) CujoChat is not an official product of
> General Magic, Inc., and is released as
> unsupported freeware. That being said, CujoChat
> is tested on a number of systems and is quite
> solid. Trust me when I say I *love* testing
> CujoChat, too!
From: Christopher Burr <cburr@KCC.COM>
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:59:08 -0500
Subject: Help Please w/ importing
Could someone PLEASE give me a step by step on how to import a notecard to
my PC using Xchange?????
Thanks,
Chris
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From: "Steve Eyler Jr." <seyler@GSTIS.NET>
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 09:43:09 -0700
Subject: Mailing Lists
I think I have become relatively familiar with my ML now, but I'm hoping I've
missed something here. I have just imported 500+ name cards from my company
directory. Now I have two problems...
First, I come from the world of Casio's BOSS, where business and personal
numbers are kept separate. Is there any way at all to set up two separate
rolodex's? It's nearly impossible to sift through all these numbers and find
the right people. Also, since everyone is listed by name, and not grouped by
company, I have to use sniffy to find a technician at a specific company,
since I don't know exactly who I am looking for. Bummer.
My second problem is with mailing lists. Now that I have imported all of
these name cards, I want to group everyone by company (for distribution
email.) I have entered company name cards for all subsidiaries. Also, each
person's name card includes their title and company name. However, no
automatic correlation was made between the people and their companies. I
don't mind individually adding users to a mailing list, but that still does
not associate them with the company card. Is there any way to list just the
individuals at a specific company?
Thanks for any suggestions you may have!
Steve
Dang, I'm getting good at typing on this little on screen keyboard!
From: Wayne Sanderson <whsander@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:25:31 -0700
Subject: Mailing Lists
Steve Eyler Jr. writes:
> First, I come from the world of Casio's BOSS,
> where business and personal
> numbers are kept separate. Is there any way at
> all to set up two separate
> rolodex's? It's nearly impossible to sift
> through all these numbers and find
> the right people. Also, since everyone is listed
> by name, and not grouped by
> company, I have to use sniffy to find a
> technician at a specific company,
> since I don't know exactly who I am looking for.
> Bummer.
> My second problem is with mailing lists. Now
> that I have imported all of
> these name cards, I want to group everyone by
> company (for distribution
> email.) I have entered company name cards for
> all subsidiaries. Also, each
> person's name card includes their title and
> company name. However, no
> automatic correlation was made between the people
> and their companies. I
> don't mind individually adding users to a mailing
> list, but that still does
> not associate them with the company card. Is
> there any way to list just the
> individuals at a specific company?
Have you tried using the group namecards? When you create a group card, you
can then add any other namecard in the rolodex to it. When you do lookups,
hitting the group card for that group/company/organization gives you access to
anyone on it simply by touching a name. Plus, one of the available address
parameters for e-mail in the ribbon strip choice box at the top of the
addressing box is sending mail to the group, meaning ALL names/addresses on
the card.
It sounds as though you are trying to link individuals together via the
company cards, when the thing to do is to start a group card, make the first
card added to the group listing the company card, then the main contact person
next, then on down in whatever order works best for you. The group cards are a
pretty slick built in linking system. Plus you can link the cards of
persons/companies together on other different group cards: i.e.- All the sales
reps from all companies you deal with on one group card for easy one shot mass
mailings, all associates with whom you share the same data with in your own
organization on a group card- prepare one update or memo and hit everybody,
etc.
From: Steve Wolfson <wolfson@UCS.COM>
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:34:12 -0700
Subject: Re: CujoChat
Pretty neat now I don't have to miss my IRC conferences when I'm on the road.
I suspect this one tool is going to cause a significant increase in Magic Link
Keyboard sales.
From: Luke Derossi <lderossi@comcat.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 13:50:53 -0400
Subject: Re: Mailing Lists
Steve Eyler Jr. wrote:
> First, I come from the world of Casio's BOSS, where business and personal
> numbers are kept separate. Is there any way at all to set up two separate
> rolodex's? It's nearly impossible to sift through all these numbers and find
> the right people. Also, since everyone is listed by name, and not grouped by
> company, I have to use sniffy to find a technician at a specific company,
> since I don't know exactly who I am looking for. Bummer.
Steve,
You might try creating a 'group' card for each company and then add all
of the employees to it. You can then go directly to the group card,
which will list all the employees, and look up anyone's specific card
right from there.
You can also use the 'File' button in the Magic Lamp to periodically
file all of your business cards and all of your personal cards to
separate packages. Initially, this will not appear differently in the
Rolodex, however you can go to the storeroom and pack one or the other,
and therefore only have access to that group of cards.
> My second problem is with mailing lists. Now that I have imported all of
> these name cards, I want to group everyone by company (for distribution
> email.) I have entered company name cards for all subsidiaries. Also, each
> person's name card includes their title and company name. However, no
> automatic correlation was made between the people and their companies. I
> don't mind individually adding users to a mailing list, but that still does
> not associate them with the company card. Is there any way to list just the
> individuals at a specific company?
This'll be solved with the group solution above; you can then just add
an entire group to a mailing, and all members of that group will be
CC'd.
Hope this helps!
Regards,
Luke Derossi
for
General Magic, Inc.
> Thanks for any suggestions you may have!
> Steve
>
> Dang, I'm getting good at typing on this little on screen keyboard!
From: Paul Linhardt <plin@SONYSOFT.COM>
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:22:55 -0700
Subject: 14.4 modem card (was: ML1000 vs. ML2000)
jacque@LINUX2.VDOT.NET writes:
>I was told that if I tried to use a faster card modem, that the PIC1000
>wouldn't respond to it, and still transfer data at 2400 (and fax at
>9600). Why was it made like that? Is there ANY way to overide this?
>
I had one of our engineers run a test on the Apex Modem card that Sony
Electronics sells. The card can be used for both cellular and landline
connections at 14.4 baud. Sony Electronics does not advertise it as a 14.4
landline modem card, but a RJ11 connector cable comes in the bundle.
We were able to make a landline connection to AOL at 14.4 and transmit a
message on a PIC-2000.
When we tried to connect to AOL at 14.4 with a landline connection from a
PIC-1000 we got an error message that said we could only connect at 2400.
For some reason, the AOL client on the PIC-1000 does not allow you to
connect at faster than 2400. We were able to successfully transmit a
message using the Apex modem at 2400 baud.
However, IMHO, using a modem card with a PIC-1000 doesn't make a lot of
sense (even if it worked at 14.4). Since the PIC-1000 only has one card
slot any incoming mail would have to be stored in RAM rather than on a SRAM
card. You would be limited to AOL since there would be no place to store
Presto!Mail. You would have to store the driver for the modem card in the
already tight memory of the PIC-1000.
As far as I know, there are no Magic Cap drivers for other modem cards.
For more information about the modem card, consult:
http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/Magic/apexcard.html
-Paul
PS: The wireless modem bundle is not one of our products but is a product
of our sister company, Sony Electronics.
---------------------
Sony New Technologies
http://www.sonysoft.com
1-800-739-7337
E-mail: plin@sonysoft.com
From: Paul Linhardt <plin@SONYSOFT.COM>
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:36:23 -0700
Subject: Re: New and exciting gadget!
Buck,
Welcome to the list.
Buck Sommerkamp writes:
>My question concerns MagicExchange. ... Does anyone
>know who sells MagicExchange...can I find it cheap/closeout/on a bargain
>table, like all the other PIC-1000 stuff?
I don't know where to get the best price, but here are a few options:
(1) There is a list of Magic Link retailers at
http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/Magic/where.html
(2) You can order directly from Sony Electronics at 1-800-55MAGIC
(3) I know Motorola has Magic Xchange in stock. The Envoy version runs
fine on the PIC-1000. Call 1-800-WDGISA1.
By the way, this type of information is always available off our web site
in the section "Sources of Magic Cap Software".
-Paul
---------------------
Sony New Technologies
http://www.sonysoft.com
1-800-739-7337
E-mail: plin@sonysoft.com
From: Curt Steindler <Steindler@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 18:59:35 -0400
Subject: Magic Cap devices
[This message may have contained graphics created by a Magic Cap device on
America Online.]
Dear, dear, dear Zalman:
Zalman Stern writes:
> The PIC-2000 is no more upgradeable than the
> PIC-1000 hence it is unlikely to run MagicCap 2.0
> . It will also never solve a key problem with the
> PIC-1000 and PIC-2000 which is the slow
> processor. In other words, I don't think the
> PIC-2000 is good enough for my needs and its not
> upgradeable do buying one would be a complete
> waste of money for me.
Why are you on this list? After all you have made it abundantly clear that
you do not LIKE the Magic Cap operating system, nor any of the Magic Link
devices.
Since upgradability and processor speed are a problem for you, go find
another PDA. However, remember that it is NOT a laptop. I, for one expect
neither blinding speed nor true state of the art for the $500 I shelled out.
I do expect the things I got, a very small unit that neither has enough speed
nor memory. (Oh, that it could. I would dearly love more of both. As I type
this I realize how slow it is since the keyboard has major difficulties
keeping up with me.)
Upgradability is not an issue for me. I want a device that is so inexpensive
that the upgrade replaces the entire unit.
I have been (probably rightly) accused of wanting a laptop. I do. I want a
laptop that runs Magic Cap, has a full sized keyboard (like the wonderful
little keyboard that Sony has built for the Magic Link. This one piece of
equipment is definately well made and well designed. The only wish I have for
it is that it had an option button so I wouldn't have to reach all the way to
my ML to press it.)
My ideal little pocket computer-like device (and isn't the ML a
'computer-like' device?) as I stated before, would be the length and height
of this great little keyboard, and as thin as possible. It would also fold up
so that the screen would be protected and I could carry it (without a case!)
like a book. Now wouldn't that be a great idea?
So, Zalman, I must ask you; why do you subject us to your continuous barrage
of advertising for that psuedo-scientific, calculator-like device sold by the
GreenGrocer Co.? Since you love it so much, go, I implore you, to the list
designated for that device. Buy one; heck, buy several. And leave those of us
who think that Magic Cap has a future, and are working to make sure of it, to
our own devices. After all, I don't go telling you that the Newton, as poorly
designed as it is, will disappear tomorrow, nor do I tell you of the obvious
problems MacIntosh is having which will probably result in the Newton being
dropped as too expensive to justify its corporate cost.
In short, the ML, like all MC devices, is unique. But it also has unique
problems. I will continue to use one to make me more productive at work, and
more organized at home. I will also continue to ask questions, report
problems, and give, hopefully constructive, criticisms.
Curt Steindler
From: Peter Merel <pete@ZIP.COM.AU>
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 10:37:44 +1000
Subject: Re: HELP!!! Presto Applications Ignore Dialing Controls!
Dear Curtis, Paul, Manny, magiccap & magicdst,
>Here's the reply I received from Manny Veloso, the guy who wrote Presto!Links:
>
>>What I'd try first is to pack up river run's stuff. I remember that for
>>some unknown reason river run & the presto stuff didn't work together...I
>>suspect RR's doing something way skanky with the modem, like opening the
>>port and holding it open. We never did check it out, since it wasn't a
>>priority for GM.
It does indeed appear that this is the case; without river run the dialing
seems to be fine - even dials when there's no phone line plugged in.
I next tried using RR from the pabx at one of my places of work, and it was
willing to dial there; so I figured I'd give it a whirl. I'd heard bad
things about it, but I figured that it would at least use the whole
screen ... silly me. Imho the thing is not suitable for everyday use to
connect to a unix system, so I've done more than pack it up - I've junked it.
If anyone on magiccap/dst would like to purchase my copy of RR, don't say
I didn't warn you about it, name your price.
I'll have a go at getting presto! configured correctly for my ISP this
evening. I should say that it would have been nice if someone had pointed
out this incompatibility a few months ago when I asked about it on the
magiccap list ... but I guess enough people warned me about RR on general
principles that I have only myself to blame.
Thanks to all who took the time!
Pete.
From: Kevin Fries <kfries@CSN.NET>
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 19:34:37 -0600
Subject: CujoChat w/o PAP
Hi all,
Is there any way to use CujoChat without PAP or CHAP? I sent a message
to my ISP support desk asking if the will support it and here is the response
I got:
Mark O. Power writes:
> Kevin, we currently do not have any plans to
> support pap or chap. However, is there any way
> your software can run a login script which will
> allow you to enter the ppp command. Are you able
> to run anything like Trumpet Winsock, or other
> ppp software, on your palmtop?
I called Mark directly and he explained to me the problem. He told me it
causes trouble with some of their direct connects. I suppose this is the
trade off when building the 7th largest ISP in the world inside a tiny state
like Colorado. This ISP runs a 155Mbit backbone to handle direct routing
within colorado then must slow you communications to route outside colorado
(the internet only runs at 45Mbit). Though PAP and CHAP have been discussed,
it causes problems with the direct lines used by companies connecting their
Western Slope offices in Durrango & Grand Junction with the main office in
Denver.
I already have all the proper info in the Presto Dinner, including the proper
login script. Why was that information not used? Is there any way to use
that login script to connect to the IRC server in Bolder?
Any and all help will be appreciated.
Thanks
Kevin Fries
From: Johnny Culver <MrsTroi@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 23:44:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Coupons-one last try
sorry to bug you all, as I have stoppd using my magiccap except to access my
e-mail. I actually went out and bought a second hand 286 for basic pc uses.
Geos is cool software to use, but I miss the flexability of my magiclink.
This change is due to the fact that I have not received a word about the new
prestomail software I was promised by sending in "THE COUPON". Any
suggestions on how I can retreive this coupon-related software?
From: Gary Miglio <mig@GATE.NET>
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:29:47 -0500
Subject: FS: PIC 2000
For Sale:
PIC 2000, keyboard, 1MB SRAM card, SkyTel pager card, MagicExchange for
Windows, FreeStyle, InkWriter, Presto!LINKS / Presto!MAIL, Magic Cap
Complete - Official Guide to Communicator.
All the above, over Sixteen Hundred, Make reasonable offer, it's yours.
You should e-mail mig@gate.net, as I will probably not be receiving the
MagicCap list any longer.
P.S. This stuff is perfect, neary a scratch or bent page. All manuals,
docs, warranty cards etc... you would not know any of this from new.
From: Robert Kantor <r.kantor@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 22:31:04 +0000
Subject: Re: CujoChat
How do I fit the DNS server into the space when it does not fit? Help, soon
please.
At 03:29 PM 10/3/96 +0000, you wrote:
>Can anyone suggest a reliable IRC server that will accept the CujoChat client
>from any domain? I'm assuming we'll be using EFNet for #magic-cap?
Preferably on the west coast.
>
>THANKS!
>
>Dan Free writes:
>> Anyway, would someone be kind enough to forward
>> Josh's post to me while I try to sort this out
>> with my ISP????
>
>Josh Carter writes:
>> CujoChat for Magic Cap is here! Download it and
>> read the docs at:
>> http://www.genmagic.com/Develop/MagicCap/Internet/
>> CujoChat/
>> CujoChat is a Internet Relay Chat (IRC) client
>> for Magic Cap. IRC is a multi-user, real-time
>> conferencing/chat system on the Internet, and
>> it's quite a bit of fun to use. As Shawn Jipp
>> mentioned earlier, we will IRC-cast the next Bay
>> Area Magic Cap Users Group meeting on the
>> #magic-cap channel, so those of you not in the
>> Bay Area can join in online with CujoChat!
>> For more information on CujoChat and IRC, see the
>> above URL. To use CujoChat you'll need an
>> Internet service provider that allows direct
>> dialup-PPP (PAP and CHAP authentication
>> supported) and enough memory on your Magic Cap
>> communicator to take a 90K package. CujoChat also
>> directly supports many external modems, including
>> Metricom's Ricochet wireless modem.
>> Enough said! Get online and start having a great
>> time. I'll try to be on the #magic-cap channel
>> tomorrow (as either "flume" or "flume2") and chat
>> with some of you.
>> Best regards,
>> Josh
>> p.s. Other stuff: Like CujoTerm (the terminal
>> program) CujoChat is not an official product of
>> General Magic, Inc., and is released as
>> unsupported freeware. That being said, CujoChat
>> is tested on a number of systems and is quite
>> solid. Trust me when I say I *love* testing
>> CujoChat, too!
>
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