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Wednesday September 04, 1996

From: "Tim J. Clevenger" <TClevenger@AOL.COM>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:16:46 -0400
Subject: Untitled

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Where can I get the 2 or 4 meg expansion cards for my PIC-1000?  The 4-megger
is preferred, since I have only the one PCMCIA slot.

Thanks!

From: Kevin Fries <kfries@ROCKY.ORCI.COM>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:15:30 GMT
Subject: Re: Memory Cards

On Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:16:46 -0400, "Tim J. Clevenger" 
wrote:

>Where can I get the 2 or 4 meg expansion cards for my PIC-1000?  The 4-megger
>is preferred, since I have only the one PCMCIA slot.
>

I am not sure if you really want a "4-megger".  The larger the card the
more main memory it takes.  I know this sounds crazy but its true.  The
largest card that probably should be used on a PIC-1000 is a 2MB.  I use
one and the difference from the 1MB and 2MB is about 40k of main memory.
They explained to me where all that memory goes once, but I forgot.  It
made sense and the only thing I really had to remember was... Don't use a
4MB card, it takes up too much memory.  After pushing my PIC too hard once
and dealing with the crash, I learned.  If it wasn't for Greg McKinzie and
his crack staff, my data would still be locked up on my card.  Having been
through memory problems, I can guarantee you that you do not want to be
there.

Another point is this, The larger the card, the longer it takes to boot the
machine.  And if you switch cards, the larger card will take forever.  I
usually run right now with my pager card in the slot, a 2MB holding the
Presto!Whatever, InkWriter, you know... basic writting stuff, etc and
common used utilities, lastly my 1MB holds backup data and lesser used
utilities.  This works ok for me, but when I switch modes from the pager to
the main 2MB card it takes a outragious amount of time to load.  Lesser so
with the 1MB card.  So, to load a 4MB card on a PIC-1000 may redefine
patients.

Just some thoughts


Kevin Fries
C-Quad Systems
kfries@cquad.com (office)
kevin_fries@mailzone.com (palmtop)

From: Brian Goldberg <brian_goldberg@BROWN.EDU>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:00:51 -0400
Subject: FS: Presto!Mail + Presto!Links

For Sale: Presto!Mail + Presto!Links - still in pristine, shrinkwrapped
state. Best offer...

From: "David Devaney, Jr." <daviddjr@SHADOW.NET>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:34:05 -0400
Subject: Manny Veloso

Hi Magicappers,

Since no one else has mentioned it.  If he even still subscribes to this list.


I would like to wish Manny Veloso lots of luck in his new endeavours.  He has
been a great help to many of us on these lists and a great source of knowledge
and support.

Thanks for everything Manny!!

David Devaney, Jr.
daviddjr@shadow.net

From: "Lily N. Koessel" <lily@KOESSEL.COM>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:08:31 +0000
Subject: Reboot Address..

Reboot Electronics
PO Box 1065
Maywood, NJ 07607

201-457-1980

Don't know if they still have them...

NOTE: I did forget to mention to ignore the Grid instructions and to
insert the card with the label side up...sorry

> > I just got a 2mg from Reboot (and for only $69+) --
>
> Hi -
>
> I think somebody recently posted the name/address/phone number of this
> supplier.  If so, could you please report?
>
> Thx,
>
> C.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Charles Ashley    charlesa@netventures.co.uk    www.netventures.co.uk
> ======================================================================
>

Lily Koessel
lily@koessel.com

From: Paul Linhardt <plin@SONYSOFT.COM>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:55:36 -0700
Subject: Memory management (Was: Memory Cards)

>On Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:16:46 -0400, "Tim J. Clevenger" 
>wrote:
>
>>Where can I get the 2 or 4 meg expansion cards for my PIC-1000?  The 4-megger
>>is preferred, since I have only the one PCMCIA slot.
>>
>
>I am not sure if you really want a "4-megger".  The larger the card the
>more main memory it takes.  I know this sounds crazy but its true.  The
>largest card that probably should be used on a PIC-1000 is a 2MB.  I use
>one and the difference from the 1MB and 2MB is about 40k of main memory.
>They explained to me where all that memory goes once, but I forgot.  It
>made sense and the only thing I really had to remember was... Don't use a
>4MB card, it takes up too much memory.  After pushing my PIC too hard once
>and dealing with the crash, I learned.  If it wasn't for Greg McKinzie and
>his crack staff, my data would still be locked up on my card.  Having been
>through memory problems, I can guarantee you that you do not want to be
>there.
>Kevin Fries
>C-Quad Systems

Thanks for the kind words, Kevin.

For those interested, I thought I'd do a quick review of the memory
management issues Kevin is referring to above.  Memory is divided into
permanent & transient (workspace) memory.  Workspace memory is limited to
275K.  Each package on your communicator has a certain workspace memory
overhead.  Certain operations, such as inserting a PC Card or unpacking a
package may cause package changes stored on the PC card to be shadowed
temporarily into workspace.  Generally speaking, the more packages you have
on your PC card, the more likely you are to run out of workspace memory.
Similarly, keeping too many old objects in packages (i.e. too much old mail
in 'new items') can also eat up workspace memory.  There is a thermometer
at the far right of the store room which lets you monitor your workspace
usage.

While 4mb cards do work on communicators, I personally don't recommend them
because they encourage people to store too many packages which can create
memory problems.  I recommend you just store packages that you use
regularly and that you backup old mail & infrequently used packages onto
your PC with Magic Xchange.  I find that I can get by fine with a 2mb card.

Magic Cap was originally designed to hide the details of memory management
from users.  In most cases you don't need to know these details.  However,
when you start pushing the envelope (i.e. by using larger PC Cards) then a
better understanding of how memory is used is very helpful to working
effectively within the limits of the machine.

Best Regards,
-Paul

---------------------
Sony New Technologies
http://www.sonysoft.com
1-800-739-7337
E-mail: plin@sonysoft.com

From: Duke da Monk Seal <duke@HISURF.COM>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:00:45 -1000
Subject: Re: PCMCIA card formatting...

I have a Newton 2 Meg flash Card that i want to use in my magic cap. It
wont let me format it though. Any suggestions on getting it to work?
I tried holding down option and rebooting, but it just tells me it cant
be used...


Please email me asap or to this list!


aloha!
Scott Yoshinaga
scott@hisurf.com

From: Duke da Monk Seal <duke@HISURF.COM>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:27:05 -1000
Subject: Personal Link

As a new owner of a Magic Link PIC 1000, I was curious if AT&T Personal
Link servics is still available.

Sorry to be out of touch!

aloha!
\\scott\\

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From: Luke Derossi <lderossi@COMCAT.COM>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:41:45 -0400
Subject: Re: PCMCIA card formatting...

Duke da Monk Seal wrote:
>
> I have a Newton 2 Meg flash Card that i want to use in my magic cap. It
> wont let me format it though. Any suggestions on getting it to work?
> I tried holding down option and rebooting, but it just tells me it cant
> be used...
>
> Please email me asap or to this list!
>
> aloha!
> Scott Yoshinaga
> scott@hisurf.com


  Scott,

  The Magic Cap operating system accepts SRAM type PC Cards only, due to
the memory structure within Magic Cap, and some issues with how Flash
RAM works.


Best Regards,

Luke Derossi
 for
  General Magic, Inc.

From: Luke Derossi <lderossi@COMCAT.COM>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:44:19 -0400
Subject: Re: Personal Link

Duke da Monk Seal wrote:
>
> As a new owner of a Magic Link PIC 1000, I was curious if AT&T Personal
> Link servics is still available.
>
> Sorry to be out of touch!
>
> aloha!
> \\scott\\

  Scott,

  PersonaLink was discontinued as of the end of August.  In its place,
support for Magic communication via a standard PPP internet service
provider has been developed in the form of Presto!Mail and Presto!Links
(graphical web browser!), available at (888) CONJURE for your Magic Cap
device.  You will need an SRAM card with at least 500K free for both of
these packages.


Best Regards,

Luke Derossi
 for
  General Magic, Inc.

From: Johnny Culver <MrsTroi@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 01:26:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Personal Link

silly, the services are no longer available. take that magiclink back to
where you bought it and ask for either it to be upgreded or for your money
back