From: Charles Ashley <charlesa@NETVENTURES.CO.UK>
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 20:56:12 +0100
Subject: Re: my 2000 cents worth
Ron G. wrote:
>...Sony and GM
> should increase their frequency of communication with the users. If Sony
> and GM choose not to do so, the users will always have the negative
> feelings of distrust and abandonment. If the users give Sony and GM the
> "impression" that unhappiness will exist regardless of what the
> manufacturers do, then the life of this platform will take a turn for the
> worse.
>
Reminds me of the NeXTSTEP community story, which at least here in the
UK, strikes a harmonic with your words of "users will always have the
negative feelings of distrust and abandonment".
All so unecessary and counterproductive.
The Cisco story, however, is rather different with its strong history
of developer/community embrace.
But this offer of GM offering Web space to the MC community is a
good thing. I anyone here involved?
C.
--
==============================================
Charles Ashley charlesa@netventures.co.uk
==============================================
From: Victor Carreon <vcarreon@ASYST.NET>
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 13:29:16 -0700
Subject: Re: Magic4Sale
Rishi R. Oswal wrote:
>
> I am going to regret this, but....I have decided to sell my Magic Link PIC
> 2000. I will be going to college next year and need the money to buy a
> notebook ( powerbook ). Fortunately, I still have a PIC 1000 which I received
> as a Codewarrior bundle. Perhaps, when I have the money, I will buy the 2000
> again. The deal is as follows:
>
> -1 Magic Link PIC 2000
> - AC Power Adapter
> -The Sony MP520 lithium ion battery
> - Waterproof and shockabsorbant carrying case with briefcase style handle and
> shoulder strap ( great case! )
> - 1 meg SRAM Card
> - Another 1 meg SRAM Card
> - 1 new Barrier screen protector
> - Graffiti handwriting recognition
> - PrestoLinks/Mail suite
> - Aha Inkwriter ( ink based wordprocessor )
> - Writeware Stealth Sytlus ( Pen and Stylus in one )
> - Magic Cap Complete book
> - Presenting Magic Cap book
>
> PRICE: $710 ( I'll take care of shipping costs )
>
> I have taken excellent care of my Magic Link. It has been in the waterproof
> shock resistant case and has had a screen protector installed since day one.
> There is no damage whatsoever. One thing that is missing is the plastic
> stylus that comes included with my magic link. I think I lost it in a bamcug
> ( bay area magic cap users group ) meeting. But there is a Stealth stylus
> included in the package. If I find the lost pen, I will include it.
>
> PLEASE EMAIL ME IF INTERESTED
>
> Goodbye Magic...
>
> Rishi Oswal
> Yipadedoda@aol.com
Hi Rishi,
I was wondering if you Magic4Sale offer is still good. I am still
interested. I haven't heard from you lately.
Thanks,
Vic
vcarreon@asyst.net
From: "Kenny S. Irick" <kirick@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 14:03:41 -0700
Subject: Re: my 2000 cents worth
Shawn Jipp writes:
> I am amazed at how negative some people are on
> this list.
--- snip ---
> When you grow tired of that device and find that
> it too is not perfect, then please don't make
> the same mistake of wasting people's time by
> complaining and whining. I'm serious. Thanks.
AMEN!
I am very pleased with my PIC2000 and Magic Cap - they're not perfect, but not
many things on this earth are (especially my PC at work which has been down
nearly a week!).
----- Tue., Aug. 13, 1996 2:37 p.m. -----
"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy"
Kenny S. Irick
kirick@ix.netcom.com
--------------------------------------
From: "Lily N. Koessel" <lily@KOESSEL.COM>
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 15:22:30 +0000
Subject: Re: Magic4Sale
Vic, et al...
Sorry, but I purchased the nice little package the day after Rishi posted. He
certainly did take care of everything very well, and had all the
original packaging!
I hope all future purchases like this go as smoothly...
My thanks to Rishi!
> Rishi R. Oswal wrote:
> >
> > I am going to regret this, but....I have decided to sell my Magic Link PIC
> > 2000. I will be going to college next year and need the money to buy a
> > notebook ( powerbook ). Fortunately, I still have a PIC 1000 which I received
> > as a Codewarrior bundle. Perhaps, when I have the money, I will buy the 2000
> > again. The deal is as follows:
> >
> > -1 Magic Link PIC 2000
> > - AC Power Adapter
> > -The Sony MP520 lithium ion battery
> > - Waterproof and shockabsorbant carrying case with briefcase style handle and
> > shoulder strap ( great case! )
> > - 1 meg SRAM Card
> > - Another 1 meg SRAM Card
> > - 1 new Barrier screen protector
> > - Graffiti handwriting recognition
> > - PrestoLinks/Mail suite
> > - Aha Inkwriter ( ink based wordprocessor )
> > - Writeware Stealth Sytlus ( Pen and Stylus in one )
> > - Magic Cap Complete book
> > - Presenting Magic Cap book
> >
> > PRICE: $710 ( I'll take care of shipping costs )
> >
> > I have taken excellent care of my Magic Link. It has been in the waterproof
> > shock resistant case and has had a screen protector installed since day one.
> > There is no damage whatsoever. One thing that is missing is the plastic
> > stylus that comes included with my magic link. I think I lost it in a bamcug
> > ( bay area magic cap users group ) meeting. But there is a Stealth stylus
> > included in the package. If I find the lost pen, I will include it.
> >
> > PLEASE EMAIL ME IF INTERESTED
> >
> > Goodbye Magic...
> >
> > Rishi Oswal
> > Yipadedoda@aol.com
>
> Hi Rishi,
> I was wondering if you Magic4Sale offer is still good. I am still
> interested. I haven't heard from you lately.
> Thanks,
> Vic
> vcarreon@asyst.net
>
Lily Koessel
lily@koessel.com
From: Paul Linhardt <plin@SONYSOFT.COM>
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 15:32:27 -0700
Subject: Re: PrestoMail 1.5
>Interesting. I received similar feedback from people. The messages I send
>indicate that a "file is attached," and the message recipients are trying
>(usuccessfully) to convert the file. It would be nice to turn off the
>graphics upon request so that the rest of the world would not get mad at
>you....
>
>Ron
Try option-erase to remove all non-ASCII information in your mail. I think
that will work.
-Paul
---------------------
Sony New Technologies
http://www.sonysoft.com
1-800-739-7337
E-mail: plin@sonysoft.com
From: "Lily N. Koessel" <lily@KOESSEL.COM>
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:22:36 +0000
Subject: Ricochet Wireless Modems and ML..
Hi All!
Has anyone out there actually already gotten a MagicLink connected to
a Ricochet wireless "modem"?
I'm waiting for delivery of the MagicLink Wireless Connect software
and the MagicLink to Ricochet cable to arrive (hopefully soon..)..
When I ordered the cable for the modem from Metricom (Ricochet folks)
it sounded like it was no big deal. When I went to pick it up, it was
out of stock (same day as when I ordered the cable and was told it
was there...) and that they didn't know when it would arrive.
After the slightly disconcerting BAMCUG note, I called Metricom and
was told (yesterday) that the cables had just arrived and were
undergoing final "testing." Should ship in a couple of days if all
goes well... Said there was a backlog of 25 or so orders to fill,
but that they had plenty of cables to fill all orders....
So, I'm now wondering if anyone has *already* connected and used the
two together - or is this something so new (I'm new with the Magic
Links, too) that I stumbled into the beginnings???
(In the meantime my notebook and Ricochet and I are having a blast!!)
Thanks!
PS I plan on using it with both my PIC-1000 and PIC-2000...
If you haven't heard already, Reboot Electronics in New Jersey got a
shipment of 2 MB Grid SRAM cards - brand new - and have been selling
them for $49.95 each! That's right - TWO MB.....
I ordered two early last week, had US Mailed them to me for $3.95,
and got them just before the weekend. We've used them for a few days
now, and ordered some more! They are low in supplies, though...
Lily Koessel
lily@koessel.com
From: Scott Wood <swood@WWNET.COM>
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 20:01:30 -0400
Subject: PDA North
Hi Everyone
I am planning on going to PDA North in Chicago. I am only going for the
show on Saturday Sept 14 1996. Is anyone else going? I havn't seen any
postings about this. I am looking for info on places to stay,
resturants etc. Sounds like a lot of fun!!
Scott Wood
From: Mark Marshall <MaxLink644@AOL.COM>
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 20:34:06 -0400
Subject: Re: PDA North
In a message dated 96-08-13 20:00:24 EDT, you write:
<< Hi Everyone
I am planning on going to PDA North in Chicago. I am only going for the
show on Saturday Sept 14 1996. Is anyone else going? I havn't seen any
postings about this. I am looking for info on places to stay,
resturants etc. Sounds like a lot of fun!!
Scott Wood >>
Please post more about this - I'd LOVE to go...
MM.
From: Wayne Sanderson <whsander@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:49:12 -0700
Subject: Re: my 2000 cents worth
Kenny S. Irick writes:
> Shawn Jipp writes:
> > I am amazed at how negative some people are on
> > this list.
> --- snip ---
> > When you grow tired of that device and find that
> > it too is not perfect, then please don't make
> > the same mistake of wasting people's time by
> > complaining and whining. I'm serious. Thanks.
> AMEN!
> I am very pleased with my PIC2000 and Magic Cap........snip
Yeah, me too. I whine from time to time .....but it's usually about additional
features and/or enhancements that I would like to have. I haven't whined much
lately though- having a working web browser and Presto!Mail on my PIC1000 is
profoundly satisfying. Hell, I can even use it as a travel clock. I will
definitely get some use out of that. As for wanting more, I am saving my
pennies for the killer MC communicator that I feel is just a few months away.
I wonder if it will be the rumored Mitsubishi, or if another one will beat
that one to market.
As an aside,I have one thing to say to the manufacturers of the next
generation of communicators- You will have to go a long way to beat these Sony
Lithium Ion batteries. My NP520 has lots of life after a recharge, and Sony
seems to periodically come out with a new model with even more capacity which
so far have been backwards compatible. I am now spoiled. I usually only have
to recharge every couple of days with moderate to heavy use; in the forseeable
future that same recharge will probably last a week.
My message is this; Don't try to sell me an $800-$1000 communicator with a
NiCad battery pack. Lithium Ion batteries are not yet an industry standard in
cell phones, but since the majority of all MC communicators are, I believe,
Sony devices, these batteries have become the standard by which all that
follow will be judged. Please don't cripple a killer machine with lots of
memory and desirable apps by powering it with the outmoded NiCad battery.
From: Kevin Fries <kfries@ECENTRAL.COM>
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 20:21:53 -0600
Subject: Re: my 2000 cents worth
Subject: RE: my 2000 cents worth
Dear Cappers,
Shawn Jipp writes:
> I am amazed at how negative some people are on
> this list. Although both Sony and General Magic
> are in no way perfect companies, they deserve our
> support if we wish them to improve their
> products.
Sony and GM should be commended. All in all they put out a fantastic product.
They should also be criticized. Few companies get ahead by hiring only
yes-men. If someone does not come out with a descending opinion, it is the
product that suffers.
> I believe U.S. Robotics, Apple, and Microsoft
> have their problems too (especially that last one
> that I mentioned!).
I believe it is called Win95 or BOB part II. But they have it good compared
to Apple, who was the only MAJOR h/w vendor to decrease demand in the last
quarter (this weeks ComputerWorld). So yes, the big guys have problems. But
what does that contribute to this discussion. They are harshly criticized
too.
> IMHO, prophesying doom and gloom for MCW or GM is
> not a very positive (or even nice) thing to do.
> If you really feel that negative, then please
> just sell your Magic Links or Envoys (of course
> at a very low price to the rest of us!) and
> remove yourself from this list. Go buy another
> PDA or laptop or notebook. When you grow tired
> of that device and find that it too is not
> perfect, then please don't make the same mistake
> of wasting people's time by complaining and
> whining. I'm serious. Thanks.
Now isn't this the definition of defeatist. You need as many people using
these as posible. The more people that use a MC unit, the more people will
write software for it. That leads to competition among vendors and more
stable software. This in turn leads to relative fewer complaints. Showing
intolerance to anyone not willing to kiss the feet of GM and Sony is surely
the fastest way to the platforms demise. Slightly faster than Sony's or GM's
shortsightedness. Sony's answer to an underpowered machine that could not be
upgraded, was a more powerful machine that can not be upgraded. Huh? GM's
failing to provide a PC hosted IDE so that it can tap into a huge number of
developers is nearly as silly. I have learned to ease off on my machine when
it starts exhibiting strange behavior. Though I still feel its the software
developers job to make sure his/her program does no damage, I should not have
pushed the machine as hard as I did. There is so much blame as to why this
platform has not taken off that hanging a modern day equivalent of "Irish need
not apply" is far more destructive as posting that you complain about. Lets
stop complaining about the complaints and find the cause of the complaints.
Then work to supply a solution. My posting the other day looking for someone
willing to do some custom programming for hire went unanswered. Obviously
there are not enough programmers willing and able to do MC programs. If I was
not already in love with my cap, knowing what I know now, I think I would have
ended up buying a Newton. There are enough developers there that I could have
had several bidders. This too will kill MC before the doom-sayers. So lets
stop all this foolishness and prove the doubters wrong.
Kevin Fries
From: "Lily N. Koessel" <lily@KOESSEL.COM>
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 20:52:13 +0000
Subject: Re: my 2000 cents worth
Wayne Sanderson says:
<>
> My message is this; Don't try to sell me an $800-$1000 communicator with a
> NiCad battery pack. Lithium Ion batteries are not yet an industry standard in
> cell phones, but since the majority of all MC communicators are, I believe,
> Sony devices, these batteries have become the standard by which all that
> follow will be judged. Please don't cripple a killer machine with lots of
> memory and desirable apps by powering it with the outmoded NiCad battery.
>
I have Zoomers, Newtons, and an HP OmniGo 100. The Zoomer has great
battery life, but poor screen. The others suck batteries like
water...(We use the Renewals...)
I thought my PIC-2000 would suck the life out of the 520 battery I
got it with, but it just goes and goes (with backlighting on) --
I hope the companies out there listen to Wayne!! He's right!
Lily Koessel
lily@koessel.com
From: "Lily N. Koessel" <lily@KOESSEL.COM>
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 21:01:36 +0000
Subject: Re: Ricochet Wireless Modems and ML..
Michael!
Thought I posted that number in my message - don't have a copy to
check - oops and sorry!
Reboot is at: 201-457-1980..
They had a bunch of 1 MB SRAM cards come in for $35 or so, I heard too!
> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:35:05 -0700 (PDT)
> To: lily@KOESSEL.COM (Lily N. Koessel)
> From: mmatrix@inreach.com (Michael Matrix)
> Subject: Re: Ricochet Wireless Modems and ML..
> Dear Lily,
> Can you give me the number for Reboot Electronics?? I'm desparate for more
> memory.
>
Lily Koessel
lily@koessel.com
From: Victor Carreon <vcarreon@ASYST.NET>
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 21:39:01 -0700
Subject: Re: Magic4Sale
Lily N. Koessel wrote:
>
> Vic, et al...
>
> Sorry, but I purchased the nice little package the day after Rishi posted. He
> certainly did take care of everything very well, and had all the
> original packaging!
>
> I hope all future purchases like this go as smoothly...
>
> My thanks to Rishi!
>
> > Rishi R. Oswal wrote:
> > >
> > > I am going to regret this, but....I have decided to sell my Magic Link PIC
> > > 2000. I will be going to college next year and need the money to buy a
> > > notebook ( powerbook ). Fortunately, I still have a PIC 1000 which I received
> > > as a Codewarrior bundle. Perhaps, when I have the money, I will buy the 2000
> > > again. The deal is as follows:
> > >
> > > -1 Magic Link PIC 2000
> > > - AC Power Adapter
> > > -The Sony MP520 lithium ion battery
> > > - Waterproof and shockabsorbant carrying case with briefcase style handle and
> > > shoulder strap ( great case! )
> > > - 1 meg SRAM Card
> > > - Another 1 meg SRAM Card
> > > - 1 new Barrier screen protector
> > > - Graffiti handwriting recognition
> > > - PrestoLinks/Mail suite
> > > - Aha Inkwriter ( ink based wordprocessor )
> > > - Writeware Stealth Sytlus ( Pen and Stylus in one )
> > > - Magic Cap Complete book
> > > - Presenting Magic Cap book
> > >
> > > PRICE: $710 ( I'll take care of shipping costs )
> > >
> > > I have taken excellent care of my Magic Link. It has been in the waterproof
> > > shock resistant case and has had a screen protector installed since day one.
> > > There is no damage whatsoever. One thing that is missing is the plastic
> > > stylus that comes included with my magic link. I think I lost it in a bamcug
> > > ( bay area magic cap users group ) meeting. But there is a Stealth stylus
> > > included in the package. If I find the lost pen, I will include it.
> > >
> > > PLEASE EMAIL ME IF INTERESTED
> > >
> > > Goodbye Magic...
> > >
> > > Rishi Oswal
> > > Yipadedoda@aol.com
> >
> > Hi Rishi,
> > I was wondering if you Magic4Sale offer is still good. I am still
> > interested. I haven't heard from you lately.
> > Thanks,
> > Vic
> > vcarreon@asyst.net
> >
>
> Lily Koessel
> lily@koessel.comI was number 2 so I just missed it. Boo hoo. You did get a good deal.
Have fun with it...
Vic
From: Victor Carreon <vcarreon@ASYST.NET>
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 21:41:44 -0700
Subject: Re: my 2000 cents worth
Wayne Sanderson wrote:
>
> Kenny S. Irick writes:
> > Shawn Jipp writes:
> > > I am amazed at how negative some people are on
> > > this list.
> > --- snip ---
>
> > > When you grow tired of that device and find that
> > > it too is not perfect, then please don't make
> > > the same mistake of wasting people's time by
> > > complaining and whining. I'm serious. Thanks.
>
> > AMEN!
> > I am very pleased with my PIC2000 and Magic Cap........snip
>
> Yeah, me too. I whine from time to time .....but it's usually about additional
> features and/or enhancements that I would like to have. I haven't whined much
> lately though- having a working web browser and Presto!Mail on my PIC1000 is
> profoundly satisfying. Hell, I can even use it as a travel clock. I will
> definitely get some use out of that. As for wanting more, I am saving my
> pennies for the killer MC communicator that I feel is just a few months away.
> I wonder if it will be the rumored Mitsubishi, or if another one will beat
> that one to market.
>
> As an aside,I have one thing to say to the manufacturers of the next
> generation of communicators- You will have to go a long way to beat these Sony
> Lithium Ion batteries. My NP520 has lots of life after a recharge, and Sony
> seems to periodically come out with a new model with even more capacity which
> so far have been backwards compatible. I am now spoiled. I usually only have
> to recharge every couple of days with moderate to heavy use; in the forseeable
> future that same recharge will probably last a week.
> My message is this; Don't try to sell me an $800-$1000 communicator with a
> NiCad battery pack. Lithium Ion batteries are not yet an industry standard in
> cell phones, but since the majority of all MC communicators are, I believe,
> Sony devices, these batteries have become the standard by which all that
> follow will be judged. Please don't cripple a killer machine with lots of
> memory and desirable apps by powering it with the outmoded NiCad battery.
What is this killer MC communicator that you mentioned?
From: Scott Doniger <A5603644614@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 06:02:04 +0000
Subject: Re: PDA North
Dear Magic,
Chgo is my home town. I am also going to the show..
Feel free to ask questions about Chgo. Anyone else comming?
I heard they had a dunk tank for Schramm....
You get to toss PIC1000's.....
--------------------------
From the desk of Scott Doniger...
From: Mark Perreira <markp@BDT.COM>
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 23:08:00 PDT
Subject: Re: Ricochet Wireless Modems and ML..
Lily N. Koessel writes:
> Has anyone out there actually already
> gotten a MagicLink connected to a
> Ricochet wireless "modem"?
I got the Ricochet working with the ML about a month ago and it has changed my
usage and outlook on this device. Having wireless flat rate connectivity is
the key to making an ML one of the most useful computing devices I have seen
in a long time.
On the subject of cables, I have developed a combination Ricochet wireless
modem, normal phone modem and PC Magic Xchange cable that is around 3ft long.
If there is interest in buying one from me or building your own, drop me a
line.
There are a few tricks about getting Presto to connect to the Metricom PPP
server that I had to work out as well. If anyone is having trouble and would
like some help, send me an email.
Mark.
markp@bdt.com
From: Cut Throte1 <A5453644674@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 06:10:06 +0000
Subject: Re: Ricochet Wireless Modems and ML..
Tue., Aug. 13, 1996 @ 11:05 p.m. EDT
Dear O Wise Magicians,
Lily N. Koessel writes:
- ^} If you haven't heard already, Reboot Electronics in
- ^} New Jersey got a
- ^} shipment of 2 MB Grid SRAM cards - brand new - and
- ^} have been selling
- ^} them for $49.95 each! That's right - TWO MB.....
What is their phone no., i could use a couple myself.
Paul Nasland
JadiP
--------------------------
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