Magic Cap Users Mailing List

Thursday July 25, 1996

From: Michael Roeser <A5513644696@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 07:18:57 +0000
Subject: Help!

Dear Magic,

I had a very bad experience tonight - while backing up MC Solitare
(which I had just downloaded from Outfitters Direct), my pic-2000
locked. While going thru steps I've used before to un-freeze my link, I
pulled both batteries.  The link wouldn't power back on after
re-installing the batteries, so I plugged it in (this, for some reason,
has worked for me in the past).  It did power-up, but was spinning the
hat for a long time at the Sony Magic Link start up screen.  I decided
to do some ironing, since it was taking a while, and pulled the plug
out of the wall (I had earlier put the batteries back in).  For some
reason, the link appeared to have shut off.  I decided at that point to
remove my 2 meg and 1 meg cards, in hopes that things would move faster
when I powered up again.  When I did this, a message appeared on the
screen (but the backlight wasn't working) saying that I shouldn't
remove my PC card from slot 1 (where my 2 meg was) while the unit was
on, and to re-install and remove after powering-off.  I tried doing
this, but it was locked-up again. This time I hit the reset button on
the back of the link.  When things finally came up in the virgin ML
state, I got a message saying that the card in Slot 1was damaged and
couldn't be used (without re-initiallizing it).  Well guess what, all
off my important data is on that 2 meg card:  over 100 name cards, note
cards with settings info, appointments, etc.  The 1 meg card, which
just has applications on it (all backed-up, of course), is fine.

I had always assumed that doing a full backup was actually backing up
all data in the link, but I guess not.  Painful way to learn.

Is there anything I can do to restore the 2 meg card?  It's a used Grid
card.

Mike
Michael_Roeser@attpls.net

From: Luke Derossi <lderossi@COMCAT.COM>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 03:56:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Help!

Michael Roeser wrote:
>
> Dear Magic,
>
> I had a very bad experience tonight - while backing up MC Solitare
> (which I had just downloaded from Outfitters Direct), my pic-2000
> locked. While going thru steps I've used before to un-freeze my link, I
> pulled both batteries.  The link wouldn't power back on after
> re-installing the batteries, so I plugged it in (this, for some reason,
> has worked for me in the past).  It did power-up, but was spinning the
> hat for a long time at the Sony Magic Link start up screen.  I decided
> to do some ironing, since it was taking a while, and pulled the plug
> out of the wall (I had earlier put the batteries back in).  For some
> reason, the link appeared to have shut off.  I decided at that point to
> remove my 2 meg and 1 meg cards, in hopes that things would move faster
> when I powered up again.  When I did this, a message appeared on the
> screen (but the backlight wasn't working) saying that I shouldn't
> remove my PC card from slot 1 (where my 2 meg was) while the unit was
> on, and to re-install and remove after powering-off.  I tried doing
> this, but it was locked-up again. This time I hit the reset button on
> the back of the link.  When things finally came up in the virgin ML
> state, I got a message saying that the card in Slot 1was damaged and
> couldn't be used (without re-initiallizing it).  Well guess what, all
> off my important data is on that 2 meg card:  over 100 name cards, note
> cards with settings info, appointments, etc.  The 1 meg card, which
> just has applications on it (all backed-up, of course), is fine.
>
> I had always assumed that doing a full backup was actually backing up
> all data in the link, but I guess not.  Painful way to learn.
>
> Is there anything I can do to restore the 2 meg card?  It's a used Grid
> card.
>
> Mike
> Michael_Roeser@attpls.net


  Mike,

  Some have had success by setting the RAM card's write protect swtich
to 'enabled' (its found on the edge of the card you can see when its
inserted into the device) and then installing the card after powering up
the device.  This potentially will allow you to access the card's
packages, and copy them to safety before you reininitialize the card.


Regards,

Luke Derossi
 for
  General Magic, Inc.

From: Jim Bailey <jdb@TIAC.NET>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 04:38:52 -0400
Subject: Re: ML-2000 for Internet Use - ideas and questions

>Date:    Tue, 23 Jul 1996 13:06:21 +0000
>From:    Wayne Sanderson 
>Subject: Re: ML2000 for inter
>
>>>FALSE- The communicators can support HR, but GM did not bundle a
>>>proprietary HR app with the OS a la Newton,  instead leaving it open
>>>for 3rd party developers to provide a choice for the individual
>owner-
>>>
>The above statement was an almost direct quote of a posting made in
>this forum by a GM exec, with a little liberty taken on my part by
>changing "as it is in the Newton' to 'a la Newton'. The part of the
>statement that you seem offended by is the most widely known fact-
>Newton- MP up to MP130 -are all bundled with an in house handwriting
>recognition app. No statement was made on my part on the quality
>thereof- only that Newton has it and the ML PIC1000 don't.
>Perhaps my use of the word 'proprietary' in describing the HR installed
>by the 'proprietors' of Apple......
>
>>Please check your facts before posting
>
>I know where to find Newton discussion groups. I don't pop in there and
>spam Newton affictionados. Perhaps I would not be so offended if you
>took the time to read postings for INTENT and SUBJECT before YOU post.

No, I also look for technical accuracy.  Yours was technically inaccurate
and deserved correction because of the technical inaccuracy.  This has
nothing to do with Newton discussion groups.  It has to do with delivering
incorrect information to this discussion group.  If I delivered incorrect
information about a Magic Cap device on a Newton discussion group it is
likely that someone would correct me also.

You said that the Newton didn't leave handwriting open for 3rd party
developers and by implication that the HWR on the Newton was a closed
environment.  This is factually incorrect.

BTW, my post had no characteristic of a spam nor was it meant as a flame.
It was simply meant to point out that you were factually incorrect.  Nor
did you attempt to show that the facts were on your side.  Instead you
suggest the information came from a trusted source, Steve Schram.  If I had
seen him post factually incorrect information here, I would have spoken up
about that also.

I've been subscribed and reading this list since 10/18/94.  I've owned a
Sony PIC-1000 since September of 94.  I read this group, not to "flame" or
"spam" anyone but because I'm generally interested in all things related to
mobile or nomadic computing.  I don't contribute much because I don't use
my Magic Link much so I have little to add in general.  I won't post
further on this topic.


Jim Bailey                  Fetch Software, Inc.
Internet: jdb@tiac.net      

From: John Beechler <A5023644604@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 09:28:09 +0000
Subject: Looking for 2 meg card

Dear Magic,
>>AJ Wright writes:
Anyone know where (perhaps mail order) to find an inexpensive but good
(quality) 2 meg SRAM card for a ML 1000?

Try Surplus Technologies. They sell 2 MB SRAM cards for around $115.00
plus shipping.  Their phone number is (214)283-8968.

JB

From: Charlie F <A5123644606@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 12:07:14 +0000
Subject: Fwd: Re: PersonaLink Patch

This is the reply I received from ATTPLS.
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Subject: Re: PersonaLink Patch
To: charlie@southwind.net (Charlie F)
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Dear Charlie,

The package size is 11K bytes and will be installed into your RAM
memory ( a portion of your device Main Memory or Memory Card, depending
on your device configuration).

I have heard rumored that when resetting your device, you could gain
100K.

If you do have to reset your device, you may want to have the package
or the card with the package to install or discard stored on a memory
card.

You might check with General Magic, the maker of the software, to see
if the patch will be made available on their web page.

If you have any questions, please give us a call at 800-400-5465.
Thanks for using AT&T PersonaLink Services.

Lori
Customer Care

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From: Dan Free <dharma@ARI.NET>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:06:23 -0400
Subject: Leather case sold

Dear Group,

Thanks to all who responded to my posting.  I've sold the leather carrying case.


Dan Free

From: Greg Satz <satz@CISCO.COM>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 07:23:49 -0700
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: PersonaLink Patch

Poster:       Charlie F 
> The package size is 11K bytes and will be installed into your RAM
> memory ( a portion of your device Main Memory or Memory Card, depending
> on your device configuration).

I obtained the package but didn't install it. After declining to install
it, the package is left packed up on my 'new items go here' shelf which is
my pc card. The package is 11k bytes in the storeroom. My guess the amount
of main memory it uses will depend on how many objects it changes in the
rom which are then shadowed into main memory. Maybe someone from GM can
give us a better answer or a developer with enough curiousity can peek into
the package.

Greg Satz

From: Ben Gravolet <ben@GRAHAM-GROUP.COM>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 09:49:24 -0500
Subject: Re: Looking for 2 meg card

for 169 you can get a 4 meg card from macmall or is it maczone... it's
guaranteed to work with all PDA's

From: Richard Brown <A5403644662@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 15:24:20 +0000
Subject: Re: 4-meg

Richard_Brown@attpls.net
Richard Brown Photography
725 NW Flanders #204
Portland, Oregon. 97209
(503)-226-7033

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
will the 1000 handle a 4 meg ok?


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From: "Rishi R. Oswal" <Yipadedoda@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 13:01:38 -0400
Subject: Re: ML-2000 for Internet Use - ideas and questions

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Jim Bailey writes:
> You said that the Newton didn't leave handwriting
> open for 3rd party
> developers and by implication that the HWR on the
> Newton was a closed
> environment.  This is factually incorrect.

I just wanted to point out that Jim Bailey is correct about 3rd party support
for HWR recognition on Newton. I am always annoyed when Newton users post
incorrect info about Magic Cap in Newton forums just as Newton users feel
vice versa.

No flames intended...

RO

From: Paul Linhardt <plin@SONYSOFT.COM>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 09:58:02 -0700
Subject: Re: Help!

>Dear Magic,
>
>I had a very bad experience tonight - while backing up MC Solitare
>(which I had just downloaded from Outfitters Direct), my pic-2000
>locked. While going thru steps I've used before to un-freeze my link, I
>pulled both batteries.  The link wouldn't power back on after
>re-installing the batteries, so I plugged it in (this, for some reason,
>has worked for me in the past).  It did power-up, but was spinning the
>hat for a long time at the Sony Magic Link start up screen.  I decided
>to do some ironing, since it was taking a while, and pulled the plug
>out of the wall (I had earlier put the batteries back in).  For some
>reason, the link appeared to have shut off.  I decided at that point to
>remove my 2 meg and 1 meg cards, in hopes that things would move faster
>when I powered up again.  When I did this, a message appeared on the
>screen (but the backlight wasn't working) saying that I shouldn't
>remove my PC card from slot 1 (where my 2 meg was) while the unit was
>on, and to re-install and remove after powering-off.  I tried doing
>this, but it was locked-up again. This time I hit the reset button on
>the back of the link.  When things finally came up in the virgin ML
>state, I got a message saying that the card in Slot 1was damaged and
>couldn't be used (without re-initiallizing it).  Well guess what, all
>off my important data is on that 2 meg card:  over 100 name cards, note
>cards with settings info, appointments, etc.  The 1 meg card, which
>just has applications on it (all backed-up, of course), is fine.
>
>I had always assumed that doing a full backup was actually backing up
>all data in the link, but I guess not.  Painful way to learn.
>
>Is there anything I can do to restore the 2 meg card?  It's a used Grid
>card.
>
>Mike
>Michael_Roeser@attpls.net

I highly recommend that you contact Magic Link Technical Support at
1-800-55MAGIC for this type of problem.  DO NOT re-initialize the card
without first exploring all options for recovering your data.

In terms of reseting your machine in the future.  (1) I would suggest
taking out the batteries and SRAM cards, (2) letting your machine sit for
10 minutes without batteries, (3) re-inserting your batteries, (4) letting
it sit for another 10 minutes, (5) then powering up your machine.

Again, ML Tech Support has more experience with these types of problems and
probably can give your a better procedure.

-Paul

---------------------
Sony New Technologies
http://www.sonysoft.com
1-800-739-7337
E-mail: plin@sonysoft.com

From: Wayne Sanderson <A5023644635@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 17:09:29 +0000
Subject: Re: Looking for 2 meg card

>for 169 you can get a 4 meg >card from macmall or is it >maczone...
it's guaranteed to >work with all PDA's

Read that ad again. $169.US for a 4meg SRAM card from a retailer does
not sound right. Those things go for upwards of $700.00 or more new and
I never see them as used/refurbs. Is this a flash card? That price
sounds more in line with the going prices for flash cards.

From: Gordon Boddington <A5523644633@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 20:14:40 +0000
Subject: aol help

It apears that I have locked my aol building and it won't unlock. I
have tried everything in my power to unlock it but when i tap on it it
doesn't do anything.

Any info would be great

Gordon

From: Mark Nomad <MarkNomad@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 19:04:30 -0400
Subject: e-mail address

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Dear Magic,

Fyi, I checked out the permanent address/forwarding service at usa.net and it
was pretty good.  No charge now for basic service.

Mark

(trustno1@usa.net)

From: Michael Roeser <A5513644696@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 00:52:13 +0000
Subject: Re: Help!

Paul writes:
>I highly recommend that you contact Magic Link Technical
>Support at 1-800-55MAGIC for this type of problem.  DO
>NOT re-initialize the card without first exploring all options
>for recovering your data.

>-Paul

>---------------------
>Sony New Technologies
>http://www.sonysoft.com
>1-800-739-7337
>E-mail: plin@sonysoft.com

I just finished calling the ML tech support line, but was told flatly
that since the SRAM card is not a Sony product, they won't provide any
support.  I asked for any tips on recovering data from the card, but he
told me contact the mfg and request a new card - he thought that the
data would be impossible to recover.

I tried Luke's suggestion (several times) of write-protecting the card
and then inserting it while the Link was running, but I got the same
"damaged card" message.

Anybody have any other ideas?  I'd really hate to lose all of the data
on the card.

Mike
Michael_Roeser@attpls.net

From: Joe Solem <JoeSolem@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 21:41:49 -0400
Subject: AOL in Hawaii

Dear Magic Cappers,

I received this today.

>Subject:     Magic Link
>Sent:        07/25  3:36 PM
>Received:    07/25  3:27 PM
>From:        SteveCase@aol.com
>To:          JoeSolem@aol.com
>
>Dear Mr. Solem:
>
>I've been informed that Sprintnet and Tymnet access numbers are not
>available in Hawaii, so if someone has a client that does not support
>AOLnet, they will not be able to connect from there.  This includes AOL
>1.6, Mac 2.5, Windows 2.0 and Magic Link.
>
>We are sorry for the inconvenience.
>
>Sincerely,
>Erica Frist
>Office of the Chairman

ALSO- It has been close to impossible to connect to PLink with my Magic
Link for about two days now. Anyone else having this problem?

Joe Solem

From: Wayne Sanderson <A5023644635@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 01:34:13 +0000
Subject: Re: ML-2000 for Inte

I was going to let this go but I see that it needs to be addressed.

>Jim Bailey writes:
>> You said that the Newton didn't leave handwriting
>> open for 3rd party
>> developers and by implication that the HWR on the
>> Newton was a closed
>> environment.  This is factually incorrect.

And if that really was what I said or implied then I would be factually
incorrect. This turns out not to be the case.

>I just wanted to point out that Jim Bailey is correct about >3rd party
support for HWR recognition on Newton. I am >always annoyed when Newton
users post incorrect info >about Magic Cap in Newton forums just as
Newton users feel >vice versa.

Yes, Mr Bailey is correct in the above assertion and I am in agreement
with him on this. As a matter of fact, with all of the Newton
applications, development tools, etc., available and plastered all over
the pages of the periodicals catering to us mobile device users one
would have to be a low grade moron to make any statement like the one
that I am accused of making. Of course the platform is open! (unless of
course all of the Newton 3rd party developers have psychic programmers
working for them!)

>No flames intended...

No burns here, and this is why.

>>FALSE- The communicators can support HR, but GM did not bundle a
>>proprietary HR app with the OS a la Newton,  instead leaving it open
>>for 3rd party developers to provide a choice for the individual
owner-
>>there are several available.

That is what I said and I stand by it. What did I say?

GM did not bundle a proprietary HR app with the OS a la Newton,
instead leaving it open for 3rd party developers to provide a choice
for the individual owner.

Let's take it apart. True or False. GM did not bundle a handwriting
recognition application with the Magic Cap OS. TRUE. They did not do so
and the published reason was that they were going to let the individual
owner choose his/her own preferred 3rd party application. Graffitti
users coming to the new device might want Graffitti,etc.

Apple Computer bundled a proprietary HR application with the Newton.
TRUE. As far as I have read, and I read a lot, the Newton operating
system is the copyrighted property of Apple, along with the other built
in apps. The handwriting recognition application is
software-intellectual property - what have you. As such, the owner of
record- Apple- holds sole rights of PROPRIETORSHIP. Hence, it is
PROPRIETARY. Apple owns it and can assign use rights to others under
license. Am I incorrect in this? Because if the Newton OS (and it's  HR
application) is public domain software and can be utilized freely, and
Apple has no  continuing rights in connection with it whatsoever, then
I am mistaken and I will publically apologize to Mr. Bailey. (and if so
give me a URL where I can download it from, just for GP)

Examine my statement. Where do I say anything about the Newton being a
closed platform? Where do I say anything at all about the Newton not
being open for 3rd party developers? I did not. All I said was that
MagicCap communicators have no bundled HR application and Newton does.
I believe my above statements show that the word PROPRIETARY, when used
in the context of referring to a SPECIFIC  COPYRIGHTED PRODUCT, and not
to the developmental standards of that product, was correct as I used
it. I made no mention of standards- Mr. Bailey did. I am not a
programmer or developer. I speak plain English-the buzzwords and
cyberslang that comprise TechnoSpeak, the language of the self
appointed upper crust of electronic society has little meaning to me. I
can see what you think PROPRIETARY means. Look it up in Webster's New
American Dictionary for examples of meaning and proper usage. I will
not waste bandwidth by posting them here. And you can SAY that I
implied any of these things, but the truth is that I did not, nor do I
have any axes to grind in any way as far as any financial connection to
Newton hardware, software, or the vendors and/or developers thereof
that would motivate me to do so. How's that for implication?

It all comes back to Intent and Subject.

Very Truly Yours,
John Q. Public
Consumer, End User and Early Adopter.

P.S.- Why did Apple, a member of the GM alliance, introduce the Newton
130, a machine with gobs of memory and the ability to operate in
landscape mode, and still keep the 120 in production and for sale for
only 100 bucks less? ANSWER- So that when GM ports Magic Cap 2.0 to the
ARM RISC processor and Apple starts selling the 130 with Magic Cap, all
of you Newton fans out there that would rather DIE than be seen with a
Magic Cap communicator will still have something to buy.

 (I don't know if this is true, but 1+1=2, and this would be really
hilarious if it turned out this way!)

From: Wayne Sanderson <A5023644635@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 02:27:44 +0000
Subject: Re: Help!

Maybe the card starts to act funny when the battery gets low. If the
card is a Verbatim, you can change the battery with the card in the
card slot and the communicator powered up. The battery port is on the
card edge. The communicator (as long as it is on) will maintain the
card memory while you swap batteries. At least so says the card
manufacturer's directions. (Plug the communicator in while you do this
so that it will not time out on you just as you are inserting the
battery, causing you to use the $400 frisbee technique on it!) If this
works, it was a cheap fix, especially since you should probably put in
new batteries every 6-9 months or so anyway. If it is not a Verbatim, I
can't vouch for the above method- check the user instructions if you
have them. Not all cards have the battery access on the outer card
edge. To change the battery in a card where the access is not on the
edge, you might try the Greystone pcmcia card adapter that makes type-3
cards usable in type-2 or 1 slots. This adapter will let you plug in
the card and power it up, but almost all of the body of the card will
be out in the air where you can get to it. If the battery access is on
a side edge however, and not the outer facing edge or the top or bottom
sides of the card, this will probably not work. There are pictures of
the adapter in the ads of mobile product vendors in computer mags all
of the time- dig one up and look at the picture and then look at your
card's battery access and you can pretty much figure out for yourself
whether you can swing it.

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From: Greg Satz <satz@CISCO.COM>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 19:30:48 -0700
Subject: Re: AOL in Hawaii

Poster:       Joe Solem 
> >I've been informed that Sprintnet and Tymnet access numbers are not
> >available in Hawaii, so if someone has a client that does not support
> >AOLnet, they will not be able to connect from there.  This includes AOL
> >1.6, Mac 2.5, Windows 2.0 and Magic Link.
> >
> >We are sorry for the inconvenience.
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >Erica Frist
> >Office of the Chairman

Don't you just love it when the top executive tells you he doesn't give a
hoot about a product he is responsible for? Unless I am mistaken and AOL is
not responsible for the Magic Cap AOL package, this is a slap in the face
as far as I am concerned. It really is sad to see such poor behavior. He
doesn't even attempt to make an excuse. What address did you send your
original note to? I think we should all bombard this fellow with some
serious feedback that his attitude is not acceptable.

> ALSO- It has been close to impossible to connect to PLink with my Magic
> Link for about two days now. Anyone else having this problem?

PLS is dying a slow death. I don't think we can expect it to get any
better. They are probably doing this on purpose to motivate the few hangers
on.

Greg Satz

From: Jim Hinson <JimNKar@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 22:37:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Newton

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MCap 2.0?!?!?!?!  Awesome!!  Any rumored features?

What about the Mitsubishi device?  Form Factor?  Feature?  Since Sony doesn't
seem to listen to this list, maybe they will.

Magic XChange:
They may be the only source of the cable required to connect to MCW....

ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
I am almost certain that Magic Cap 2.0 will be here this year. Rumors have it
that Mitsubisei is coming out with a must have Magic Cap based device.

In regards to the person wondering whether or not to purchase Magic Xchange,
I'd recommend holding off. I have been told that the final release of Magic
cap for windows will support direct sychronization to Magic Cap devices and
will probably only cost $49.99.

Rishi Oswal

From: Jim Hinson <JimNKar@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 22:39:54 -0400
Subject: Re: BYE PLS

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I Don't believe you can remove it from the PIC - it's in ROM.  You cahn pack
up the package, though, which should hide most of it.

Jim

ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
Once PLini goes bye bye,   what is the proper way to get it out of ram on a
2000?  How much does it save and is worth it?

The sony patch seems silly....   Unless there is a better way...

Thx

From: Steve Hirst <A5123644655@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 02:38:32 +0000
Subject: Re: Looking for 2 meg card

Dear Magic,
JB writes:
> Try Surplus Technologies. They sell 2 MB SRAM
> cards for around $115.00
> plus shipping.  Their phone number is
> (214)283-8968.

I'm sorry to say they ran out of used SRAM and can't get any more. They
have some reasonably priced new ones.


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From: Greg Satz <satz@CISCO.COM>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 19:44:12 -0700
Subject: Re: Help!

Poster:       Michael Roeser 
> I just finished calling the ML tech support line, but was told flatly
> that since the SRAM card is not a Sony product, they won't provide any
> support.  I asked for any tips on recovering data from the card, but he
> told me contact the mfg and request a new card - he thought that the
> data would be impossible to recover.

I would call Sony back and ask for the manager of tech. support. I would
inform this person that you are a good sony customer and that you deserve
some help, whatever they can offer, even if the sram card isn't theirs. It
doesn't cost them anything to help out someone who has their product. It
can hurt them much more to refuse you service only they can really
provide. Or better yet call them back and lie. If that is what it takes to
get some reasonable help, I would certainly forgive you.

Today is a bad day for customer service all over. :-(

> I tried Luke's suggestion (several times) of write-protecting the card
> and then inserting it while the Link was running, but I got the same
> "damaged card" message.
>
> Anybody have any other ideas?  I'd really hate to lose all of the data
> on the card.

If Sony can't or won't help you (how can you tell the difference?), you may
be out of luck. Maybe you can find a developer who has a Telebug box who
will download your sram card to a file. This is the easy part. The hard
part is trying to make sense out of what is in the resulting file.

I don't see any other options at this point.

Greg Satz

From: Greg Satz <satz@CISCO.COM>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 19:53:50 -0700
Subject: Re: e-mail address

Poster:       Mark Nomad 
> Fyi, I checked out the permanent address/forwarding service at usa.net and it
> was pretty good.  No charge now for basic service.

It would seem they are going to append a three line advertisement to each
message they forward. Apparently, this is how they can make it a free
service.

Greg Satz

From: Greg Satz <satz@CISCO.COM>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 19:52:31 -0700
Subject: Re: BYE PLS

Poster:       Jim Hinson 
> I Don't believe you can remove it from the PIC - it's in ROM.  You cahn pack
> up the package, though, which should hide most of it.
>
> ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
> Once PLini goes bye bye,   what is the proper way to get it out of ram on a
> 2000?  How much does it save and is worth it?
>
> The sony patch seems silly....   Unless there is a better way...

After you cancel your PLS account, you can reclaim roughly 100k of main
memory by cold booting your device. This entails pulling all batteries and
reinitializing from scratch. You do need to take precautions first. They
entail making sure you have a backup of your main memory and items on your
sram card, just in case. MAke sure you save anything in main memory into a
package and back that package up to an sram card or a desktop computer (or
both).

The sony patch prevents you from attempting to make phone calls to number
that will probably be reused at some point in the future. Imagine the
person/company who gets the old PLS 800 number and continually receives a
high pitched beeping phone call from every new Magic Cap user. :-)

Having said that I won't waste a single byte of my precious main memory
with that patch.

Greg Satz

From: Wayne Sanderson <A5023644635@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 03:00:02 +0000
Subject: AOL in Hawaii

It's really easy to check out whether SprintNet and Tymnet have
discontinued access in Hawaii. For information on SprintNet, you may be
able to get local access numbers via modem(and this may be how the ML
does it from inside the AOL building). If you have a terminal program,
set it up to dial 1-800-546-1000 at 2400 baud, 7 data bits, even
parity, and 1 stop bit. When it connects, enter 3 returns, and then at
the prompt enter your area code and the 3 digits of your exchange-
example; 800546. At the @ prompt enter MAIL, then enter PHONES as both
the user name and the password. You should get a menu from which you
can select the information you desire to see.
For Tymnet, call 1-800-937-2862 and you will be able to get local
numbers from the automated information system. If these info sources
give you numbers to call, try AOL with them. I think AOL is phasing out
service on these packet data networks on their end because they found a
cheaper network and not because Sprint and MCI shut them off. (Tymnet
is operated by MCI.) If the numbers these sources give you still have
modems at the other end but AOL will not sign on to them, perhaps you
could work out your own private deal between the packet network for
pay-your-own-access. If the network will go with this, try talking to
AOL.(Good luck-it's a real longshot.)

From: Scott Doniger <A5603644614@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 05:03:12 +0000
Subject: Re: Help!

Dear Magic,
Magic Cap Discussion List writes:
> Anybody have any other ideas?  I'd really hate to
> lose all of the data on the card.
> Mike
> Michael_Roeser@attpls.net

I cant tell you how many times that has happenec to me..  I got a good
tio from a GOOD guy at Sony..  If you have access to another PIC1000
try inserting it in there.  I have gotten lucky many tlmes (I have a
2000)

If that fails,  and you have tried everything else...  Time to reinit
the card....   I have done that many times too.....


BACKUP!!!!!!!

Regards
--------------------------
            From the desk of Scott Doniger...

From: "David Devaney, Jr." <daviddjr@SHADOW.NET>
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 01:23:40 EDT
Subject: Re: AOL in Hawaii

On Thu, 25 Jul 1996 21:41:49 -0400 you wrote:

>Dear Magic Cappers,
>
>I received this today.
>
>>Subject:     Magic Link
>>Sent:        07/25  3:36 PM
>>Received:    07/25  3:27 PM
>>From:        SteveCase@aol.com
>>To:          JoeSolem@aol.com
>>
>>Dear Mr. Solem:
>>
>>I've been informed that Sprintnet and Tymnet access numbers are not
>>available in Hawaii, so if someone has a client that does not support
>>AOLnet, they will not be able to connect from there.  This includes AOL
>>1.6, Mac 2.5, Windows 2.0 and Magic Link.
>>
>>We are sorry for the inconvenience.
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>Erica Frist
>>Office of the Chairman

Am I wrong or was there a post recently of a press
release that had something to do with AOL still
supporting MagicCap devices and doing something
new with the software.  I don't remember the exact
post but I thought it was something like that.
David Devaney, Jr.
daviddjr@shadow.net

From: "David Devaney, Jr." <daviddjr@SHADOW.NET>
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 01:29:22 EDT
Subject: Re: ML-2000 for Inte

On Fri, 26 Jul 1996 01:34:13 +0000 you wrote:

>I was going to let this go but I see that it needs to be addressed.
>>>FALSE- The communicators can support HR, but GM did not bundle a
>>>proprietary HR app with the OS a la Newton,  instead leaving it open
>>>for 3rd party developers to provide a choice for the individual
>owner-
>>>there are several available.
>
>That is what I said and I stand by it. What did I say?
>
>GM did not bundle a proprietary HR app with the OS a la Newton,
>instead leaving it open for 3rd party developers to provide a choice
>for the individual owner.

snip___(reason)

Kudos Wayne!!!

It is a shame that the correct interpretation of
Grammar AND reading something to understand it
correctly is such a lost art.

Just in case anyone is still confused "a la" means
"LIKE".

David Devaney, Jr.
daviddjr@shadow.net

From: Mike Lombrozo <lombroma@MAIL.FIA.NET>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 20:20:01 -0700
Subject: Re: ML-2000 for Internet Use - ideas and questions

You're so right about small being relative.  I used to think 512k RAM was
huge and remember upgrading a 5MB hard drive to a whooping 10MB.  Thanks
for the info.

Mike

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From:   Greg Satz[SMTP:satz@CISCO.COM]
Sent:   Tuesday, July 23, 1996 10:44 PM
To:     Multiple recipients of list MAGICCAP
Subject:        Re: ML-2000 for Internet Use - ideas and questions

Poster:       Mike Lombrozo 
> I thought Java was supposed to be a small OS for small programmable
remote
> controls.  Maybe the development version requires 6MB, but my
understanding
> is the runtime files are real small.  Can anyone confirm this or am I all
> wet?

My experience with Sun's Java during alpha was its runtime requires 70k+ of
memory. Now a Magic Cap runtime can be much smaller since a communicator
isn't a workstation and it certainly isn't Unix. Note this did not include
the java applet that you were running to begin with. Now 70k or even 100k
isn't all that large on a Unix workstation running 40-50 megabytes of
memory and with virtual memory to boot. Small is relative. :-)

Greg Satz




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From: Mike Lombrozo <lombroma@MAIL.FIA.NET>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 22:47:12 -0700
Subject: Re: Web Page

Bruce

I like your page.  Will be looking forward to more downloads

Mike

----------
From:   Bruce Tong[SMTP:zztong@MAIL.EV.NET]
Sent:   Friday, July 12, 1996 12:36 PM
To:     Multiple recipients of list MAGICCAP
Subject:        Web Page

For those who browse the web, my Magic Cap page is now functional.
Content is currently sparse, but there are a few things to download,
including a couple of examples for developers and an MPW Tool.

http://www.eurekanet.com/~zztong

This will get you to my main page; the Magic Cap page is just one
click from there.

--

Bruce Tong
Systems Programmer
Electronic Vision / Fitne

Work:

Phone : (614) 592-2511
Fax   : (614) 592-2650
mailto:zztong@evi.ev.net
http://www.fitne.ev.net/

Play:

mailto:zztong@eurekanet.com
mailto:zztong@aol.com
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