Magic Cap Users Mailing List
Monday July 22, 1996
From: Peter Merel <pete@ZIP.COM.AU>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 16:21:09 +1000
Subject: ML-2000 for Internet Use - Misc. Replies
Wayne Sanderson, Greg Satz and David Szego have given me some great
information and food for thought. I hope they won't mind if I gather
their material by subject before replying ...
On Magic Xchange:
-----------------
>MXChange is available for around $35.00US if you shop- I got mine at
>PCZone via telephone /mailorder.
Thanks for the tip!
>Magic XChange is a mediocre product for getting things to and from the
>ML... it's ok for to actually, but don't even bother getting things off
>the ML with it.
I guess the best way to get things off then would be to presto-mail
them off - yes? Do you somehow collect your backups into a package and
then uuencode it and squirt it at your ISP?
>The only problem is, if you pirate the software,
>you still need the cable. Guess what the only way to get the cable is?
>That's right... Buy their damn software!
Surely the connector can't be that hard to rig ... it's talking to a PC
serial port, right? RS-232? But I should warn anyone who emails me
pirated software that it'll make me very very cross. Especially if you use
PGP to secure it first - oh, I just hate that :-)
On Terminal Emulation:
----------------------
>[ cujo doesn't do vt100 so ] Buy a commercial Emulation package.
Can you recommend one? Seems like there might not be a decent one?
>River Run is a pooch as far as performance goes... Trying to use an IRC
>or shell session or anything on my ISP is ridiculously slow... Surprising
>because I thought a 20MHz processor could support a simple 14.4
>connection when all it has to do is dump text to the screen and read the
>keyboard buffer.
This ain't encouraging. I mean, ML does all this cute animation
pollywaffle, but it still can't scroll characters? Perhaps RR have some
kind of update available ... or perhaps someone from GM can tell us
whether they have any plans to produce a presto!vt100 any time soon?
On Flash:
--------
>Flash disks would also be nice, but if it were easy to open up the
>platform to use them, I think it would already have been done. There
>must be some hitch in the way the OS uses add on memory or something. I
>haven't a clue.
Presuming that this is a hardware limitation, then I'd guess that it has
to do with the requirement that flash draw power from the port - sram has
its own battery and draws no power, but flash cards have no battery.
>Flash doesn't work on the available communicators as memory. I believe
>flash can work but so far no one has chosen to support it. It forces your
>communicator to use main memory for changes, however.
I'm not certain why this would be - once you're able to power and drive
the thing, flash should look like any other chunk of memory - the real
difference from a driver point of view is that flash is slower to write
because you have to erase it before you overwrite it.
>No. Flash is *not* supported at all. Never will be from what I've heard
>from GM. However, I can't see why you'd need more than a 16Mb SRAM
>card... Even that seems like total overkill! (so far, anyways!)
Yep - I never even filled up 2 meg with my zoomer. However, with
presto mail/links, I can see how you could use a good chunk of mass
storage.
On Java:
--------
>I think a Java VM would be a significant challenge due to resource
>limitations.
Well, you could say the same thing about Magic-Cap itself. I certainly
take your point, but the nice thing about a JVM is that all the source is
already available - so the job is really just going to be squeezing it.
On Miscellaneous:
-----------------
>I'm saving my pennies now for the next generation
>communicator, from whichever manufacturer comes forth with the best
The best time to buy any computer is always ... tomorrow ...
>Having enjoyed the
>use of a Telescript based communication service for some time now, an
>ISP will be a step down.
What features will you miss? I mean, if it's just mail filtering, you
can ask your ISP to help you get procmail set up on the server end ...
>And this is exactly what the Baron WANTS
>us all to think when we are considering technology investments and/or
>product purchases.
Yep. "Microstuffed? I'd sooner gargle rat turds."
>$2000+ for a communicator? For
>this price you can get a nice portable computer with quite a number of
>these features.
Tell me where I can get a pen-based note-pad (with usable HWR) and
with about the same weight, battery life & functionality and I'd certainly
think hard about it. The way I figure it, I'm already amassing a fair
pricetag ...
ML-2000 - $750
2 2meg SRAMS - $250 (or $100 if Rodent's recent usenet post pans out)
MX - $35
Magic Connection - $120
Presto Mail/Links - $50
Graffiti - $80
Total - about $1200 - $1300.
Now if I could pick up a lightweight pen-based note-pad that did much
the same thing, but with a pentium, some decent mass storage and a
colour screen ... but such a thing does not exist. Hardware manufacturers
just don't seem to understand what pens are for. And besides, I want
something I can hold in my hand ...
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From: "J. Eric Townsend" <jet@ABULAFIA.genmagic.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 00:27:50 -0700
Subject: Re: ML-2000 for Internet Use - ideas and questions
dszego> I have heard that colour is actually built into the rom of the
dszego> Magic Link/Envoy... no one seems to have a low-power screen
I'm going to go out on a limb here and state that I think color
support *isn't* in the Magic Cap 1.0 devices, and I doubt it's in the
1.5 devices. I'm not bored enough to go dig through the changelogs in
our source code, but I think color support wasn't official until the
Magic Cap for Windows product.
Any Magicians need to correct me?
--
J. Eric Townsend jet@genmagic.com USA 408.774.4252 (play: jet@well.sf.ca.us)
URL bandwagon of hipitude
** wanted: Art of Noise - "Into Battle", original, in good condition **
From: "J. Eric Townsend" <jet@ABULAFIA.genmagic.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 00:20:01 -0700
Subject: Re: Wireless Web?
speaking somewhat-officially as a General Magic employee (and as of
last week or so, webmaster)...
"plin" == Paul Linhardt writes:
plin> (2) Presto!Links with the wireless modem redirector software +
plin> Apex + a data enabled cell-phone
plin> (http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/Magic/wmlinkbundle.html). (I'm not
plin> sure if anyone tried this combination on an Envoy, but it should
plin> work with a Magic Link). If you are in an area covered by the
I'm ordering this setup (with a motorola microtac elite) pretty soon.
I'm planning on demoing our web site and showing stuff off in cafes
and other odd places.
If it doesn't work, I'm in a decent position to be able to yell at
people.
--
J. Eric Townsend jet@genmagic.com USA 408.774.4252 (play: jet@well.sf.ca.us)
URL bandwagon of hipitude
** wanted: Art of Noise - "Into Battle", original, in good condition **
From: "J. Eric Townsend" <jet@ABULAFIA.genmagic.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 00:24:29 -0700
Subject: Re: ML-2000 for Internet Use - ideas and questions
"satz" == Greg Satz writes:
satz> I think a Java VM would be a significant challenge due to
satz> resource limitations.
A friend of mine (who has one of the top-selling Java books :-) claims
that the basic set of libraries/code you need to be "really Java"
takes up about 6MB for 680x0 machines. If we shrank the size of the
libraries (ditch the file IO, for example), it would be smaller, but
I'm guessing it'd have to be in the 2MB range to be worth it.
Remember that ROM space costs money in more ways than the chips
themselves -- PC board real estate and support hardware. Pretty soon
you're looking at a device that costs *way* more than any other
persona communicator.
satz> The problem with all these marvelous upgrades from the portable
satz> computer world is cost. Would you be willing to pay $2000+ for a
satz> communicator? For this price you can get a nice portable
satz> computer with quite a number of these features.
exactly my point. At some price-point, people will go out and buy a
486/pentium subnotebook instead of a Magic Cap device. Keeping the
cost down means not having some features that those subnotebooks have
-- big gobs of memory, hard drives, that sort of thing.
satz> Telescript is being unbundled from the future Magic Cap
satz> software. This lets the communicator manufacturer determine
satz> whether to include Telescript in their device or not.
With our new Tabriz product, one can access Telescript engines via the
WWW.
--
J. Eric Townsend jet@genmagic.com USA 408.774.4252 (play: jet@well.sf.ca.us)
URL bandwagon of hipitude
** wanted: Art of Noise - "Into Battle", original, in good condition **
From: Shawn Jipp <sjipp@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 01:03:20 -0700
Subject: GM IS HIRING
General Magic had a 1/4 page ad in the classifieds section of the local San
Jose Mercury News newspaper today (Sunday 7/21). They have 6 openings:
1) Director Of Product Marketing for the active Internet division.
2) Director, Magic Cap Communications Engineering. It mentions working with
"state-of-the-art handheld Internet communication software."
3) Security Systems Engineer. To "help resolve security threats in both
Tabriz and Magic Cap."
4) Web Development Engineer. This one is interesting. It describes the
position in that "You will drive Prestolinks (WWW Browser) forward on our next
generation Magic Cap OS." It goes on to mention creating "HTML table support
and integrating SSL libraries and commercial JPEG libraries."
5) Internet Protocol Engineer. "Create, design, and develop Internet applications for next-generation communication protocol software for Magic Cap,
General Magic's trademark operating system."
6) Tools Engineer. "Design, create, maintain, and support tools for
developing Tabriz applications."
Of course the job descriptions were longer but these were the primary job functions listed.
///////Shawn Jipp
sjipp@ix.netcom.com
From: Shawn Jipp <sjipp@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 01:34:25 -0700
Subject: BAMCUG MEETING #2
The next meeting of the Bay Area Magic Cap Users Group (BAMCUG) will take place this Thursday, July 25, at 7 P.M. at General Magic headquarters.
General Magic is located at 420 N. Mary Avenue in Sunnyvale near Mary Avenue
and Central Expressway.
Our guest speaker will be Toby Dunn from Sony New Technologies in Monterey.
He will be demonstrating some of the Sony software products for the Magic Cap
operating system.
Please post this announcement on the AOL and Compuserve PDA boards. Thanks.
///////Shawn Jipp
sjipp@ix.netcom.com
(408) 736-5477
From: Shawn Jipp <sjipp@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 01:35:08 -0700
Subject: PIC-1000 FOR SALE
I am selling my backup PIC-1000. As part of the package I will include a Sony
1 meg SRAM card and the telephone headset. Original boxes too.
Am asking $210 including shipping.
///////Shawn Jipp
sjipp@ix.netcom.com
From: Shawn Jipp <sjipp@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 01:34:47 -0700
Subject: LOST CLUB MINUTES
I have lost my copy of the article that I wrote about the first BAMCUG meeting
held on 6/27/ Both copies that I sent to General Magic were not received.
The copy I had stored on my SRAM card AND PC were both empty!
We will try to write about this next one in a timely manner and I think I have
fixed the problem in not being able to send out mail correctly due to certain stamps on people's name cards.
Sorry.
///////Shawn Jipp
sjipp@ix.netcom.com
From: Wayne Sanderson <A5023644635@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 12:59:47 +0000
Subject: ML-2000 for Internet Use - Misc. Replies
There was supposed to be a terminal emulation package in the works from
Active Paper, but I have not heard about it for a while here. It was
probably pushed to the back burner so that Presto!Mail 1.5 and P!Links
could be finalized. Now that they are out hopefully the AP wizards will
soon crank out a super emulation package? As with anything else that AP
markets, it will be worth waiting for. As for customer demand, the line
to buy starts here.
From: Wayne Sanderson <A5023644635@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 13:11:22 +0000
Subject: Re: ML-2000 for Internet Use - ideas and questions
For anything much over $2000.US, I would go shopping for a 486/Pentium
pen computer loaded with Windows for Pen Computing, which I would then
load MCW onto and take off. I might have to buy secondhand, but so
what. When the full commercial release of MCW hits the market a device
so equipped will be extremely versatile and a total blast to use.
From: Greg Satz <satz@CISCO.COM>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 07:36:48 -0700
Subject: Re: LOST CLUB MINUTES
Poster: Shawn Jipp
> I have lost my copy of the article that I wrote about the first BAMCUG meeting
> held on 6/27/ Both copies that I sent to General Magic were not received.
> The copy I had stored on my SRAM card AND PC were both empty!
So how about a quick two paragraph summary. It would be better then
nothing.
Greg Satz
From: Peter Merel <pete@ZIP.COM.AU>
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 01:00:54 +1000
Subject: MC on a handheld ...
Wayne Sanderson writes,
>For anything much over $2000.US, I would go shopping for a 486/Pentium
>pen computer loaded with Windows for Pen Computing, which I would then
>load MCW onto and take off. I might have to buy secondhand, but so
>what. When the full commercial release of MCW hits the market a device
>so equipped will be extremely versatile and a total blast to use.
Yes, I think you're right - maybe one of the Epson 400s - they're about
2.5 pounds and get you maybe 10 hours battery life if you don't use any
backlighting ... I think that to load the thing up you're getting closer
to the 3k mark ... still, then you'd have a decent amount of freeware to
run, including netscape and all the java apps you could scrounge ...
This bears sleeping on. Anyone know when the real-live MCW is due?
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From: MCW Online <mcwonline@genmagic.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:19:16 -0700
Subject: Re: MCW: MAPI Support
At 06:06 AM 7/20/96 +0000, Kevin Fries wrote:
>Joel Connors writes:
>> We are instead creating a complete ISP client
>> using Microsoft's MAPI standards. The client will
>> allow you to connect to any existing provider via
>> modem or direct internet connection.
>
>Hi Joel:
> I am confused, how is microsoft mail going to help me to access
>the web. What I would be interested in is probably, winsock support.
>Could you please elaborate.
>
>Thanks
>Kevin Fries
>
Hi Kevin,
We are using the Internet mail drivers that Microsoft created. We are
addhearing to the standards created by this and included with in that
standard is the support for winsock.
What you will get is a fully functional email client that can access mail
via modem or direct conect. If you send mail to a nother MCW user or a PIC
user you will have all the rich text, graphics and animations you are
accoustomed to in the Plink service.
Hope this helps.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Joel Connors / Magic Cap For Windows Support
Email at: mcwonline@genmagic.com
Phone at: (408) 774-4041
Fax at: 800-774-3311
Support hours are 9am to 5pm (PST) Monday through Friday, excluding holidays
From: Mark Nomady <trustno_1@ARMENIA.IT.EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:35:26 -0700
Subject: Re: ISP Help?
This message contains mail encoded for MagicCap
--magicmail
Dear Magic,
I have Earthlink and it works fine. $19.95 & web space.
I tried Netcom, but their local number (for me) was always busy.
hth.
Mark
--magicmail
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From: Sandy Schurtz <fas@GATE.NET>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:03:15 -0700
Subject: SML on digital PBXs
Does anyone know where I can locate a device that will allow an analog device such as a fax, modem, and/or SML to be used on
a digital PBX system such as Rolm etc. These so called digital PBXs are digital switched but the actual lines are analog and
can be fooled into allowing the use of an analog device such as the Magic Link, I just can't locate such a device. A friend
saw an ad for such a device but can not locate it now.
Sandy
From: Kenji Armstrong <kenji@genmagic.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:49:46 -0700
Subject: Re: GM IS HIRING
On Monday, July 22, 1996, Shawn Jipp wrote:
> General Magic had a 1/4 page ad in the classifieds section of the local San
> Jose Mercury News newspaper today (Sunday 7/21). They have 6 openings:
>
> ...nice job descriptions...[my editting]
>
> ///////Shawn Jipp
> sjipp@ix.netcom.com
Actually, we have quite a few job openings. See our web pages at:
http://www.genmagic.com/About/extjob.html
If you'd like to work on the next generation Magic Cap products, love
to work with customers, and enjoy a crazy work life, take a look at
my openings in the Customer Engineering organization.
Kenji
--
Kenji Armstrong
kenji@genmagic.com
From: Paul Linhardt <plin@SONYSOFT.COM>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 12:04:28 -0700
Subject: Re: SML on digital PBXs
>Does anyone know where I can locate a device that will allow an analog device
>such as a fax, modem, and/or SML to be used on
>a digital PBX system such as Rolm etc. These so called digital PBXs are
>digital switched but the actual lines are analog and
>can be fooled into allowing the use of an analog device such as the Magic Link,
>I just can't locate such a device. A friend
>saw an ad for such a device but can not locate it now.
>
>Sandy
Sandy,
If you check our web site under the section on links to other Magic Web
sites (http://www.sonysoft.com/sony/elsewhere.html) you'll find a link to a
company called Konexx:
"Konexx's portable Konnector Model 111 quickly and easily connects your
fax/modem to a digital, PBX, or multiline office or hotel telephone."
http://www.Konexx.com/
KONEXX
5550 Oberlin Drive
San Diego, CA 92121
phone (619) 622-1400 / fax (619) 550-7330
email sales@konexx.com
-Paul
---------------------
Sony New Technologies
http://www.sonysoft.com
1-800-739-7337
Attention! New e-mail address: plin@sonysoft.com
From: Richard Brown <A5403644662@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 19:06:37 +0000
Subject: Isp server info
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From: Luke Derossi <lderossi@COMCAT.COM>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 15:40:48 -0400
Subject: Re: ML-2000 for Internet Use - Misc. Replies
Peter Merel wrote:
>
> On Flash:
> --------
>
> >Flash disks would also be nice, but if it were easy to open up the
> >platform to use them, I think it would already have been done. There
> >must be some hitch in the way the OS uses add on memory or something. I
> >haven't a clue.
>
> Presuming that this is a hardware limitation, then I'd guess that it has
> to do with the requirement that flash draw power from the port - sram has
> its own battery and draws no power, but flash cards have no battery.
>
> >Flash doesn't work on the available communicators as memory. I believe
> >flash can work but so far no one has chosen to support it. It forces your
> >communicator to use main memory for changes, however.
>
> I'm not certain why this would be - once you're able to power and drive
> the thing, flash should look like any other chunk of memory - the real
> difference from a driver point of view is that flash is slower to write
> because you have to erase it before you overwrite it.
>
> >No. Flash is *not* supported at all. Never will be from what I've heard
> >from GM. However, I can't see why you'd need more than a 16Mb SRAM
> >card... Even that seems like total overkill! (so far, anyways!)
>
> Yep - I never even filled up 2 meg with my zoomer. However, with
> presto mail/links, I can see how you could use a good chunk of mass
> storage.
>
Peter,
If I understand the way flash memory works, you can't just write to
it as you would RAM or SRAM. You need to commit 'blocks' at a time.
This alone brings up several problems. First the most obvious is you
have to schedule writes to the card. Packages can't just write a byte
or two whenever they want to. You need to 'collect' a bunch of writes
and write them to the card all at once. Second, to effectively use the
space on the card, you might need to read a partially-used block from
the card and merge your new data with it and write it back. Otherwise
you'd end up with x number of partially filled blocks, a good deal of
space wasted, and no way to re-write to the card once it fills up.
Other problems include the speed (or lack thereof) of flash memory.
Its much slower than SRAM. Also, Flash memory has a limited
write-lifespan. Which means you want to write to flash as efficiently
and as rarely as possible.
The memory model of Magic Cap was designed to take advantage of
SRAM's capabilities, which suffer none of the above limitations.
According to the specification of the PC Card slot, Magic Cap
communicators are physically able to support flash technology. However
as you can see the limitations imposed by flash technology makes it less
attractive. Especially when a 2MB SRAM card can support even heavy
usage, with Presto! products too.
Regards,
Luke Derossi
for
General Magic, Inc.
From: Nick Zimmerman <ZIMMERMA@SMTP.LMN.USACE.ARMY.MIL>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 15:14:45 -0500
Subject: Envoy - For Sale
Must sell...
Motorola Envoy (little usage - no scrathes)
Extra battery
Two - 2MB memory cards
Pager card & software
Xchange for PC
All original docs and boxes
$600 or best offer. Must sell entire unit, can not sell separately.
nickz@usa.net if interested
From: Paul <A5043644623@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 21:08:33 +0000
Subject: finding ISP
This list has become very funny. We are all running around like
chickens trying to find and figure out how to use and set up ISP's. How
did this become our problem? The people who sold us these products have
all but wiped their hands. How about a little leadership. I still have
not received this coupon for PrestoMail. When does that come. Wait I
know, it will arrive midnight August 29th. Hey GM, either you're in
business or you're not. Help us out here. Tell ATT to get those coupons
out. Overnight them. Set up some easy options for us with Netcom or
whoever. How about setting up a special 800# number we can call them at
and get set up 1,2,3. Either that or call it bust and pack it in. I
urge everyone not to put up with this. You have spent your money on
these products already. They have changed the rules, not us. Who has
the time to troubleshoot their operating system for free. (Hmmm does
Netcom work, does Worldnet work, what settings, what cities...) Ask
yourself when the last time was that GM or SONY or any of these guys
put money in your pocket.
Paul_McHugh@attpls.net
From: Gordon Boddington <A5523644633@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 21:37:39 +0000
Subject: outfitters direct
Dear Magic,
Could someone plink me outfitters direct? It would be greatly
appreciated. Also can anyone tell me where i can get the cheapest sram
cards? I remmember surplus tech had them for $75 used. I think they
were 2mg but I am not sure.
Gordon
ps Please don't kill me, but I have another plink question, how is the
prest software going to be installed on our pic's?
From: Greg Satz <satz@CISCO.COM>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:52:06 -0700
Subject: Re: outfitters direct
Poster: Gordon Boddington
> ps Please don't kill me, but I have another plink question, how is the
> prest software going to be installed on our pic's?
Okay.
You will need magic xchange. Or someone has to mail it to you via america
online and personalink while it is still alive. Also someone could beam it
to you from another communicator. I believe the Presto! products
personalize themselves to protect against copy protection so ultimately
some of the above options may not work.
The UUDecode package will decode presto!mail messages. I haven't tested
this but someone could mail you a copy of the presto! products via the
internet and Presto!Mail and the recipient (without Presto!Mail) could
decode them with UUDecode and install them.
Greg Satz
From: Greg Satz <satz@CISCO.COM>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:46:23 -0700
Subject: Re: finding ISP
Poster: Paul
> This list has become very funny. We are all running around like
> chickens trying to find and figure out how to use and set up ISP's. How
> did this become our problem? The people who sold us these products have
> all but wiped their hands. How about a little leadership. I still have
> not received this coupon for PrestoMail. When does that come. Wait I
> know, it will arrive midnight August 29th. Hey GM, either you're in
> business or you're not. Help us out here. Tell ATT to get those coupons
> out. Overnight them. Set up some easy options for us with Netcom or
> whoever. How about setting up a special 800# number we can call them at
> and get set up 1,2,3. Either that or call it bust and pack it in. I
> urge everyone not to put up with this. You have spent your money on
> these products already. They have changed the rules, not us. Who has
> the time to troubleshoot their operating system for free. (Hmmm does
> Netcom work, does Worldnet work, what settings, what cities...) Ask
> yourself when the last time was that GM or SONY or any of these guys
> put money in your pocket.
I agree with you that the bugs in Presto!Mail and Presto!Links are pretty
annoying. It would have been nice to get the product without any
bugs. However I think you are being a bit short sighted on the
PersonaLink/ISP transition. I don't believe a small company like GM has
much influence over a huge company like AT&T. My guess is if GM had their
way PersonaLink would still be supported instead of being terminated.
A proprietary mail system, even if it is easier to use, is going to have a
very hard time being successful in the marketplace. Have you tried calling
the 888-conjure number and pleading your case?
Moving to the internet makes the Magic Cap technology accessible. No one
can ignore the internet any longer, not even Microsoft. I am happy to see
PersonaLink evolve into something I believe will be a better solution
overall. Presto!Mail and Presto!Links with a plethora of internet service
providers will give you a better set of overall services at a better cost
then AT&T and GM could ever do by themselves.
I can understand why a company would introduce new software to market with
bugs. It happens all the time. However it is incumbent that said company
also provide updates in a very timely manner. Ultimately I will vote (with
my money) for the company that provides the best software and software
support (updates).
Greg Satz
From: Steve Cooley <Stevec@POBOX.COM>
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 14:57:27 +0000
Subject: Re: finding ISP
> I still have
> not received this coupon for PrestoMail. When does that come. Wait I
> know, it will arrive midnight August 29th. Hey GM, either you're in
> business or you're not. Help us out here. Tell ATT to get those coupons
> out. Overnight them.
Yeah, I agree. GM devices have so much potential, but I
unfortunately have a short attention span. If I can nearly
painlessly continue to manage my email on my SML, cool. but if I
have to hassle with it, it'll just be replaced by an analog daytimer
or something. Paper is still faster and easier than entering a new
card for someone.. the biggest reason to use my SML is for e-mail...
I had it all set up juuuust right, and now... I'm very
dissatisfied.
From: Keith Felkins <A5393644684@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 23:43:29 +0000
Subject: Re: finding ISP
Dear Magic,
"How about a little leadership.''
I agree with Paul on this, since the announcement I've been printing
the material out. All I have is one confusing mess. "Help us out
here." Surely someone can rate all the available options, don't want to
jump ship every 30 days. "You have spent your money on
these products already." I have three and most accessories, planned to
buy more? But what about the cost of our Brain work!
"Who has the time to troubleshoot their operating system for free.''
PIC = Personal Intelligent Communicator. Maybe I should be silent, but
I purchased mine for Business purposes, so we could communicate more
efficiently, Manage our Rolodex, Notes, time, etc. The Group Feature
for E-mail and fax was a great idea, but without a dial back for a busy
fax line, it is useless.
Maybe that's the paradox, Leadership is hard to find when were all
going in different directions for different motives.
Going to miss the Graphic's in my communications!
Lemon Head - Is it a Prince or a Frog?
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From: Scott Wood <swood@WWNET.COM>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 21:06:35 -0400
Subject: Date and Time Changing on 1000
I have had the date and time change twice on my PIC-1000 by it self.
The 1st time it moved the date back about a month and a half and the 2nd
time it moved it forward about a month and a half. I have a 2 meg SRAM
card and my new items file has about 75k in it. The main memory has
over 200k, I keep almost everything on this mem card. Any ideas?
Scott Wood
From: Curt Steindler <Steindler@AOL.COM>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 21:33:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Envoy - For Sale
I'm interested at $600. Let me know how you want to handle the transaction.
(Also, please let me know the specs of the Envoy, such as keyboard options
and number of PCMIA slots. Thanks.)
Curt
From: Jonas MIllan <whale@Telcel.net.VE>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 21:26:34 +0000
Subject: Re: installing cw9
Erik de Ruijter wrote:
>
> From: Erik de Ruijter/ Algorithmic Research, The Netherlands.
>
> Subject: installing Codewarrior Gold 9
>
> I will need to install the new version (9) of the Magic Cap SDK very
> soon now (coming from version 7).
>
> Has anybody experienced any problems that I should be aware of.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> =================================================================
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> -----------------------------------------------------------------
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hi,
well the only problem I've had is: that the new installer does not work
with the previous versions of metronub, so when you are about to install
you should remove the metronub. and just one other thing I havwe not
been able to run the IDE. Metrowerks is working on solving the problem!
Jonas Millan
From: Simon Shapiro <digitry@IME.NET>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 22:35:47 -0500
Subject: Re: Screen darker on one side
yep, i got that problem, i have no clue what is is , tell me if you find
out
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From: Johnny Culver <A5133644645@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 02:55:43 +0000
Subject: GM IS HIRING
Dear Magic,
What? No customer service rep 'must be knowledgeable of ATT policies'
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From: Greg Satz <satz@CISCO.COM>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 20:00:44 -0700
Subject: Re: PrestoMail reply-to addresses
From: Charles Ashley
> I'm just trying to figure out how to get PrestoMail 1.5 to set my =
> reply-to address correctly. To be specific, I want mail to go to =
> charlesa@netventures.co.uk, not my dialup provider =
> charlesa@someISP.com . Is there a way to do this? I've got my =
> personal namecard with an Internet email of =
> charlesa@netventures.co.uk, but all messages seem to go out as =
> charlesa@someISP.com.
I wrote a Magic Cap package called ReplyReturn which will set the Reply-To
field of the mail header to be any address label on your name card. It also
contains a rule that will require you to set the 'about' field. It appears
to work with Presto!Mail 1.5. Drop me a note if you would like a
copy. Internet users will get a uuencoded version.
Greg Satz
From: Paul Linhardt <plin@SONYSOFT.COM>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 19:59:56 -0700
Subject: Re: Envoy - For Sale
>(Also, please let me know the specs of the Envoy, such as keyboard options
>and number of PCMIA slots. Thanks.)
>Curt
The Envoy has two card slots. I believe you can use the Sony keyboard with
the Envoy (someone please correct me if I'm wrong).
More information about the Envoy & Envoy 150 can be found at:
http://www.mot.com/MIMS/WDG/products/wireless_comm.html
-Paul
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From: Wayne Sanderson <A5023644635@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 03:15:00 +0000
Subject: MC on a handheld ...
>Yes, I think you're right - >maybe one of the Epson 400s - >they're
about 2.5 pounds and >get you maybe 10 hours >battery life if you don't
use >any backlighting ... I think that >to load the thing up you're
>getting closer to the 3k mark ... >still, then you'd have a decent
>amount of freeware to run, >including netscape and all the >java apps
you could scrounge
A used or overstock selloff from a warehouse type place would be what I
was referring to- probably an IBM 360PE, which is a notebook that has a
flippable touchscreen standard and could be used as a pen slate for
most MC things, and you can reclaim the keyboard for extensive typing.
A used or surplus/overstock 360PE could probably be had for less than
$2000., maybe alot less.
From: Paul Linhardt <plin@SONYSOFT.COM>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 20:05:22 -0700
Subject: Re: finding ISP
Lemon Head writes:
>I agree with Paul on this, since the announcement I've been printing
>the material out. All I have is one confusing mess. "Help us out
>here." ...
For those a little overwhelmed by all the ISP choices, don't forget that
America Online remains a viable alternative to PersonaLink. It may not be
the right solution for eveyone, but it is a simple alternative that is
built into the Magic Link ROM.
-Paul
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From: Peter Merel <pete@ZIP.COM.AU>
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 15:48:23 +1000
Subject: Presto question and Re: MC on a Handheld ...
Wayne Sanderson writes,
>A used or overstock selloff from a warehouse type place would be what I
>was referring to- probably an IBM 360PE, which is a notebook that has a
>flippable touchscreen standard and could be used as a pen slate for
>most MC things, and you can reclaim the keyboard for extensive typing.
>A used or surplus/overstock 360PE could probably be had for less than
>>$2000., maybe alot less.
The trouble there is battery life and weight - 4 hours and 7 pounds. I
agree that with MCW it'd be a very nice box to cart to work, but not
for a plane trip and not as a pda - I think it's just a different kind
of beast. For the moment I believe I'm plumping for the ML-2000 as mentioned;
it's not perfect, but it does more of what I want than anything else I've
found.
Which brings up another question ... I hear that presto tools are particular
about the facilities they need from an ISP. My ISP here is very friendly and
will install pretty much whatever I need ... so can someone give me a concise
summary of what one's ISP needs to have if the presto tools are going to work?
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From: "David Devaney, Jr." <daviddjr@SHADOW.NET>
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 01:49:09 EDT
Subject: Re: Michael Cullinan: Re: So long 4 now
On Thu, 18 Jul 1996 07:04:30 -0700 you wrote:
>As I feared, this did NOT work. The same message is returned:
>
> > No entry for your michael_cullinan@MENTORG.COM address could be found
> > in the MAGICCAP list at BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU. Here are a number of
> > possible reasons why you might still be getting mail from the list:
>
>I will email to Peter DiCamillo at Peter_DiCamillo@brown.edu or Steve
>Klingsporn at moofie@apix.com next.
There should also be a way to request a list of all users
subscribed to the list. If emailing hasn't worked yet you
may want to try this because I know that my ISP
automatically adds the mailserver address to all my email
and something like this might throw it off.
David Devaney, Jr.
daviddjr@shadow.net
From: "David Devaney, Jr." <daviddjr@SHADOW.NET>
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 01:42:32 EDT
Subject: Re: Date and Time Changing on 1000
On Mon, 22 Jul 1996 21:06:35 -0400 you wrote:
>I have had the date and time change twice on my PIC-1000 by it self.
>The 1st time it moved the date back about a month and a half and the 2nd
>time it moved it forward about a month and a half. I have a 2 meg SRAM
>card and my new items file has about 75k in it. The main memory has
>over 200k, I keep almost everything on this mem card. Any ideas?
Scott,
You need to get the 1.0f update from Sony. If you are on
Plink I assume that through Aug 31 you can still get it that
way. Go to the Plink building and I believe you can tap on
the Forms and there should be one for getting updates. I
believe someone said it is on their web site too. besides
that you can call Sony and they should be able to send it to
you in MXchange format.
David Devaney, Jr.
daviddjr@shadow.net
From: Peter Merel <pete@ZIP.COM.AU>
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 16:13:03 +1000
Subject: Flash
Luke Derossi writes,
[ Explanation of the difficulties of driving a flash card - thanks! ]
One important thing you've missed here is that while flash is a lot
slower to write than sram, it's just as fast when you want to read it.
So I certainly agree that you wouldn't want to use flash as main memory
- much too slow for that. However, as mass-storage it has it all over
sram both in price and in capacity. Obvious uses on the ML-2000 are as a
mail and web-cache for presto - though writing flash is slow compared to
sram, it's like lightning compared to the throughput of the ML's
internal modem - and as a repository for executables and relatively
static databases (like the MC scenery?). It'd be a good spot to keep
multiple full backups too.
>The memory model of Magic Cap was designed to take advantage of
>SRAM's capabilities, which suffer none of the above limitations.
>According to the specification of the PC Card slot, Magic Cap
>communicators are physically able to support flash technology. However
>as you can see the limitations imposed by flash technology makes it less
>attractive. Especially when a 2MB SRAM card can support even heavy
>usage, with Presto! products too.
Hmm, so the hardware will do it. I think, then, if someone were to write
a driver for flash, a popular configuration would have SRAM in one slot
and flash in the other - web caches alone would well justify this.
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From: Mark Nomady <trustno_1@ANDORRA.IT.EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 23:02:53 -0700
Subject: PrestoMail
Dear Magic,
I also find myself with an extra copy of Presto!Mail....
Not wishing to profit from it, I would be willing to trade it for something I
could use.
I have most stuff, but would like just about anything that comes on a card
(i.e. Berlitz, pager, 2 meg) and could throw in some cash if needed.
Whatever, make your best offer. Still in shrink wrap, next day air.
Please e-mail me direct and not to the list. Thanks.
Mark
trustno_1@earthlink.net
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