Magic Cap Users Mailing List
Monday July 15, 1996
From: Shawn Jipp <sjipp@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 00:06:37 -0700
Subject: AOL Problems
Every since I shut down my AOL account and packed up the AOL package in ROM, I
have been unable to send email to anybody with an AOL address via Personalink.
I tried changing the AOL addresses to username@aol.com but I got the email
bounced back
When I switched their email addresses to the username@aol.com format using the
Internet stamp versus the AOL stamp it worked.
The $64,000 question is: must I now go back to many of my 245 name cards and
edit the email addresses of those with AOL accounts to be listed with Internet
stamps instead?
///////Shawn Jipp
sjipp@ix.netcom.com
From: Shawn Jipp <sjipp@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 00:06:50 -0700
Subject: ARDIS/RAM
Does anyone subscribe to ARDIS or RAM wireless services? If so, can I get a
tele number to contact them? Also what do you think of the service with either? Costs? Coverage?
///////Shawn Jipp
sjipp@ix.netcom.com
From: "Mark D. Nomady" <trustno_1@EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 01:12:29 -0400
Subject: Re: AOL Problems
Shawn Jipp wrote:
>
> Every since I shut down my AOL account and packed up the AOL package in ROM, I
> have been unable to send email to anybody with an AOL address via Personalink.
>
> I tried changing the AOL addresses to username@aol.com but I got the email
> bounced back
>
> When I switched their email addresses to the username@aol.com format using the
> Internet stamp versus the AOL stamp it worked.
>
> The $64,000 question is: must I now go back to many of my 245 name cards and
> edit the email addresses of those with AOL accounts to be listed with Internet
> stamps instead?
>
> ///////Shawn Jipp
> sjipp@ix.netcom.com
I think you'll have the same problem with PrestoMail, which you will
undoubtedly (soon) be using...
From: Shawn Jipp <sjipp@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 01:48:05 -0700
Subject: Re: AOL Problems
In reply to that comment frome someone: I am now using Presto Mail along with
PLINK.
///////Shawn Jipp
From: Shawn Jipp <A5193644654@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 07:08:56 +0000
Subject: Ricochet Cables
OK. Has anyone on this list successfully made a cable to connect a
Magic Link with a Ricochet Modem? If so, then
****HOW****
***DID YOU DO IT?***
Thanks!
///////Shawn Jipp
sjipp@ix.netcom.com
From: paulk <A5423643649@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 10:21:03 +0000
Subject: Re: SRAM Card
On Sunday, July 14, 1996, Magic Cap Discussion List writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
begin 000 PrestoMail
M`0!CQSX/4&5R>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What is this? I have PrestoMail. Is this encoded graphics not making it
through PL?
-- paulk
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graphics, voice and text messages via AT&T PersonaLink Services, call
1-800-936-LINK.
From: Joe Solem <JoeSolem@AOL.COM>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 06:49:31 -0400
Subject: AOL & SprintNet
I'm going to try this one more time. The first two times I tried to post
this it didn't appear on the list, causing me untold AOL-related
paranoia. (Imagine Twilight Zone music here)
Ok. AOL discontinued using it's SprintNet local access number here in
Honolulu as of July 1st. Now there's no way to use my PIC-1000 with AOL,
as AOLNet does not support Magic Links. This seems to be the same thing
as what's happened with AOL's overseas access numbers, where GlobalNet
has replaced SprintNet, making an AOL local connection impossible.
One of the PDA guys at AOL tells me that it's a situation unique to
Honolulu. I'm wondering if that's true, and if AOL has plans to cut off
all it's Magic Link members in the future. Anybody know anything about
this? Has anybody else been cut off by AOL?
Joe Solem
From: Bill Bereza <A5823644626@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 13:06:50 +0000
Subject: tinker tool
Comp.os.magic-cap,
Could someone please send me the tinker tool to either this address or
to 'BBereza' at AOL?
Thanks.
Bill
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From: Greg Satz <satz@CISCO.COM>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 07:38:05 -0700
Subject: Re: ARDIS/RAM
Poster: Shawn Jipp
> Does anyone subscribe to ARDIS or RAM wireless services? If so, can I get a
> tele number to contact them? Also what do you think of the service with eithe
> r? Costs? Coverage?
I used Ardis on my Envoy for a while. I found the coverage to be pretty
good in general. However the radio modem is quite demanding on memory and
cpu. In the envoy there isn't much left over and preformance isn't nearly
as good as the magic link.
I have stopped using RadioMail for the time being to see if I can live
without it. I found the costs to be a bit excessive.
Greg Satz
From: Greg Satz <satz@CISCO.COM>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 07:39:40 -0700
Subject: Re: AOL Problems
Poster: Shawn Jipp
> When I switched their email addresses to the username@aol.com format using the
> Internet stamp versus the AOL stamp it worked.
>
> The $64,000 question is: must I now go back to many of my 245 name cards and
> edit the email addresses of those with AOL accounts to be listed with Internet
> stamps instead?
Yes. It is probably better to leave your AOL package unpacked so you can
maintain access to the AOL stamp. Though if Presto!Mail doesn't know have
to gateway for AOL (aol via internet doesn't work) then it may be worth
converting to internet stamps. Maybe someone will cobble up a package to do
the conversion.
Greg Satz
From: Greg Satz <satz@CISCO.COM>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 07:35:51 -0700
Subject: Re: SRAM Card
Poster: paulk
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> begin 000 PrestoMail
> M`0!CQSX/4&5R M-D$S.3`T,#@U-C-&-3028@'-X1(2(`U293H@4U)!32!#87)D8
> -snip-
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> What is this? I have PrestoMail. Is this encoded graphics not making it
> through PL?
> -- paulk
It is exactly what you said it is in your note. Presto!Mail will take the
rich-text information (sound, scribbles, different fonts, stamps, etc.) and
encode them into a text format suitable for transport over the internet. It
uses a binary to text encoding call uuencode which is a de-facto internet
standard. The UUDecode package will decode Presto!Mail packages into magic
mail messages as well.
Greg Satz
From: "Michael H. Phillips" <m_phil@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 11:36:49 -0400
Subject: 2 SRAM Cards
Has anyone used 2 SRAM cards on a PIC-2000
at the same time? I have a 2meg card now and
I was wondering if it would benefit me to get
another?
Regards, Michael Phillips
m_phil@ix.netcom.com
From: Steve Wolfson <wolfson@UCS.COM>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 08:51:10 -0700
Subject: Re: 2 SRAM Cards
I have 2 2mB sramcards running. I tend to use the second one for
largish packages/data. The only downside is that if you switch "Where
to store new items" you can forget and put things on one card where you
don't want them to go.
From: Jonas MIllan <whale@kitkat.T-Net.net.ve>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:08:36 +0000
Subject: Re: 2 SRAM Cards
Michael H. Phillips wrote:
>
> Has anyone used 2 SRAM cards on a PIC-2000
> at the same time? I have a 2meg card now and
> I was wondering if it would benefit me to get
> another?
>
> Regards, Michael Phillips
> m_phil@ix.netcom.com
Hi,
I use two sram cards on my pic 2000, a 2 meg and 1 meg...
they work great!
Jonas
From: Jonas MIllan <whale@kitkat.T-Net.net.ve>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:15:56 +0000
Subject: SKYTEL CARD PATCH!
Hello,
sorry for been suc a pain, but I really need the patch for the so that
the skytel card can work with my pic 2000. I have already called sony
and they were supposed to send by friday..
can anyone please send it to me?
please...
thanx
Jonas Millan
Jonas_Millan@attpls.net
JonasM7@aol.com
whale@telcel.net.ve
From: Luke Derossi <lderossi@COMCAT.COM>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:15:22 -0400
Subject: Re: ARDIS/RAM
Shawn Jipp wrote:
>
> Does anyone subscribe to ARDIS or RAM wireless services? If so, can I get a
> tele number to contact them? Also what do you think of the service with either? Costs? Coverage?
>
> ///////Shawn Jipp
> sjipp@ix.netcom.com
Shawn,
I pulled this from the Company contact & product info area on AOL's
General Magic forum:
Ardis
Phone: (800) OK-ARDIS
Regards,
Luke Derossi
for
General Magic, Inc.
From: Greg Satz <satz@CISCO.COM>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 10:28:18 -0700
Subject: Re: foo Presto!Mail 1.5 and ReplyReturn
It appears that Presto!Mail 1.5 (PPP/POP/SMTP version) and ReplyReturn work
halfway together. ReplyReturn lets you set both your From: and Reply-To:
addresses in outgoing email on PersonaLink. With Presto!Mail 1.5 it only
works for the Reply-To: field.
The Reply-To: mail field will have people who respond to your mail respond
to the Reply-To address. The From: mail field makes it look like you sent
your mail from that particular address. With From: you do not need
Reply-To.
If anyone at Active Paper or GM wants to figure this out let me know. It
would be nice to set the from field on outgoing Presto!Mail too.
Also does Presto!Mail retain the extended mail headers like PLS did?
Greg Satz
From: Shawn Jipp <A5193644654@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 17:37:14 +0000
Subject: Presto Links & text
Is there a way for me to copy the text (or even raw html) from web
pages so that I can send the text to others across the Internet?
///////Shawn Jipp
sjipp@ix.netcom.com
From: Shawn Jipp <A5193644654@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 17:36:41 +0000
Subject: AOL & SprintNet
Joe:
Your previous msgs about discontinuing Sprintnet in Hawaii were indeed
published on this list....you just couldn't view your own postings and
no one apparently replied.
I suspect that AOL will replace Sprintnet everywhere eventually. First
Europe, then Hawaii, hmmm...seems like a trend to me.
///////Shawn Jipp
From: Bruce Tong <zztong@MAIL.EV.NET>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 13:57:57 -0500
Subject: CW9: MC C/C++ file not found
A while back somebody was complaining about a message from CodeWarrior
something on the order of "MC C/C++ file not found." This message will
show its ugly head when you're trying to build. Well, I encountered
the same problem recently while I was fiddling with the IDE... ok,
that's another story.
Anyways, the problem becomes noticable when you open an older project
file, such as those which came with the "Magic Cap Programmers
Cookbook." I was able to get around the problem by creating a new
project. If I had to guess, I'd say the format of the project file has
changed between CW8 and CW9.
I don't remember reading this in the release notes, but it's probably
described in the CW docs... somewhere. ;)
--
Bruce Tong
Systems Programmer
Electronic Vision / Fitne
Work:
Phone : (614) 592-2511
Fax : (614) 592-2650
mailto:zztong@evi.ev.net
http://www.fitne.ev.net/
Play:
mailto:zztong@eurekanet.com
mailto:zztong@aol.com
http://www.eurekanet.com/~zztong
From: Greg Satz <satz@CISCO.COM>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 10:47:40 -0700
Subject: Unwired Planet
UNWIRED PLANET BRINGS THE WEB
TO CELLULAR TELEPHONES AND PAGERS
Company's open UP.Link platform brings Web, intranet access to pocket-size
cellular phones and two-way pagers
REDWOOD SHORES, Calif. (July 11, 1996) -- Unwired Planet, Inc. (UP),
http://www.uplanet.com, is paving the way to wireless Internet access with
UP.Link, its ground-breaking open software platform. UP.Link enables a new
generation of cellular phones and two-way pagers to access information and
services on the Internet and on private intranets. The UP.Link platform is
based on the Handheld Device Markup Language (HDML), a markup language
optimized for interactive Web access from wireless handheld
devices. Developers can use HDML to reformat Web-based content and legacy
data for mobile access and to create interactive cellular phone and pager
applications.
The UP.Link platform has been embraced by five U.S. cellular carriers and
two leading cellular phone manufacturers, by Internet and network computing
champions Sun Microsystems and Oracle, as well as ISV and integration
leaders. Carriers who are preparing to deploy UP's technology later this
year include AT&T Wireless Services, Ameritech, Bell Atlantic NYNEX Mobile,
Comcast Cellular Communications and GTE Mobilnet. Device manufacturing
partners include the Personal Mobile Communications Division of Mitsubishi
Wireless Communications and PCSI, a Cirrus Logic company. UP is working
with leading software integrators and ISVs to deploy UP.Link in the
corporate environment. KPMG Peat Marwick and REALOGIC, leading technology
systems integrators, and Vantive, a sales, customer support and helpdesk
applications specialist, are incorporating UP's technology into their
products and service offerings; Aurum Software and Siebel Systems, leaders
in sales automation, have endorsed UP's technology as well.
Unwired Planet expects the first UP-enabled products and services to reach
the market this summer, with volume production ramping up in 1997. The
first UP.Phones will use the CDPD network.
"Our UP.Link platform combines the power of network computing with the
convenience and portability of cellular telephony," said Alain Rossmann,
CEO and chairman of Unwired Planet. "In concert with our hardware, carrier,
integrator, and developer partners, we are creating an open Web-based
software platform for accessing personal, corporate, and public information
from a pocket telephone."
The UP.Link platform consists of three elements -- UP.Browser, UP.Link, and
the Handheld Device Markup Language. UP.Browser is a browser that is
offered for license to device manufacturers interested in designing
UP.Phones or UP.Pagers. UP.Link is available for license to corporations
and network carriers interested in building their own private or public
UP.Link networks. In addition to UP.Link, UP offers UP.Mail, a fully
integrated two-way paging system for the UP.Link platform. UP.Mail is
available for license to corporations and network carriers interested in
building a two-way messaging service. The UP.Link Software Development Kit
(SDK) is available for free download to Web developers through UP's Web
site at http://www.uplanet.com.
Unwired Planet's Network-Centric Approach
Early attempts to add software intelligence to portable communications
devices focused on integrating a computer with a cellular phone, an
approach that led to proprietary devices whose high cost, physical bulk and
lack of applications software have so far limited their market
acceptance. Unwired Planet's approach taps the enormous potential of the
Internet and the Web by applying the concept of open standard network
computing to familiar and relatively inexpensive mobile devices such as
cellular phones.
According to Bob Bressler, Sun Microsystems' chief scientist for
networking, "UP's technology addresses one of today's major headaches --
needing to carry around three or four different devices. By building on the
Web/Internet model, all the mobile worker's communications needs converge
in a single, easy-to-carry platform."
"Unwired Planet allows the most ubiquitous business appliance, namely the
cell phone, to access vast databases of corporate information. The
combination of UP's technology and Oracle's Database and Web servers is a
major step toward the vision of accessing any data, on any device, from
anywhere." said Jerry Held, senior vice president Server Technologies,
Oracle.
Following the client/server model, the majority of processing occurs on a
standard Web server instead of on the access device itself. The UP.Browser
is an HDML browser and a two-way messaging engine. Its small memory
footprint allows UP.Phones to be cost and size competitive with
state-of-the-art cellular phones. Its robust, air-link efficient protocols
allow HDML-based wireless Web access to be both fast and inexpensive.
UP.Link is a middleware server that sits between mobile devices and
standard Web servers, providing a real-time repository for transaction
information (the input to any audit or billing system) and an interactive
directory of available information and services. Supporting multiple access
control models (basic, premium and pay-per-view), UP.Link also handles
protocol translation and data compression functions to optimize the
connection between wireline and wireless portions of the network.
Handheld Device Markup Language is Unwired Planet's open programming
language. Like HTML, it is an information publishing and interaction
description language. Developers fluent in HTML can become proficient in
HDML in a matter of only a few hours. Because HDML applications are device-
and network-independent, developers can write applications which run on any
UP.Phones and UP-enabled wireless networks.
UP's architecture is a natural extension of the World Wide Web. Any Web
site that serves information to desktop computers can serve information to
UP.Phones and UP.Pagers. Existing resources -- networks, hardware, Web
servers, database links -- do not have to be modified to support UP-enabled
devices. Thus developers can create HDML applications that directly
leverage the growing body of information and services available on the Web.
Market Opportunity
Unwired Planet sees enormous market potential among the millions of
cellular phone and paging users who understand the value of connecting with
public and private computer networks while away from the office. Traveling
executives, professionals, and mobile work groups, such as sales forces,
will benefit from the mobile messaging and real-time access to data that
UP.Link can provide.
Vertical markets, such as insurance, field-service and transportation
companies are also being targeted. UP's technology can help companies in
these industries tailor a fleet-wide solution for mobile messaging and
information access.
About Unwired Planet
Unwired Planet was founded in 1994 to deliver an open platform for wireless
Internet appliances. UP's first product is a comprehensive communications
platform, including browser, server, and mark-up language, that allows
familiar mobile devices such as cellular phones and pagers to access and
send information through the Internet or intranet and existing wireless
data networks quickly and cost-efficiently. The company is privately
held. Venture capital investors include Matrix Partners, Greylock, Sofinova
and Weiss, Peck and Greer. Corporate investors include AT&T Wireless
Services, Mitsubishi Electric Corp., and Cirrus Logic. UP is headquartered
in Redwood Shores, Calif. For more information, visit UP's web site at
http://www.uplanet.com.
From: Bruce Tong <zztong@MAIL.EV.NET>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:02:29 -0500
Subject: CW9: Whoops...
Sorry about that gang... I think I just posted a developer note to the
general list. Whoops. Sorry.
--
Bruce Tong
Systems Programmer
Electronic Vision / Fitne
Work:
Phone : (614) 592-2511
Fax : (614) 592-2650
mailto:zztong@evi.ev.net
http://www.fitne.ev.net/
Play:
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mailto:zztong@aol.com
http://www.eurekanet.com/~zztong
From: Steve Wolfson <wolfson@UCS.COM>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 11:05:20 -0700
Subject: Re: Presto Links & text
I don't know how to get the raw html, but you
can do two things. The magic lamp will let you mail each web page
as a card to other users. You can also use textulizer availble I think
from either Spies or Outfitters Direct (as freeware) and it will convert
the page to standard text and drop it in the tote bag for you to use
with anything else (notebook, calendar, mail etc).
From: Diane Chun <A5213644616@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 18:48:57 +0000
Subject: AOL & SprintNet
Dear Magic Cap List,
Sorry about the multiple postings.
Thanks for your response, Shawn.
No one else cares about this? No one knows anything or will talk about
it? Everybody's using Presto!Mail and an ISP?
Joe Solem
Joe Solem@aol.com
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From: Kevin Fries <A5783644665@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 19:52:22 +0000
Subject: Re: What is this
Hi guys,
Magic Cap Discussion List writes:
> It is exactly what you said it is in your note.
> Presto!Mail will take the rich-text information
> (sound, scribbles, different fonts, stamps, etc.)
> and encode them into a text format suitable for
> transport over the internet. It uses a binary to
> text encoding call uuencode which is a de-facto
> internet standard. The UUDecode package will
> decode Presto!Mail packages into magic mail
> messages as well.
> Greg Satz
So, if I hear you correctly, Presto!Mail will still send MagicMail like
PLINK, but send it through the standard internet datapipe. Does that
mean that if I set up a scheduled item in my date book, filled in the
who, and pressed invite, They would receive the same email, with yes
and no buttons to update their own schedule? If so, you made me feel
much better about being dropped by PLINK.
Kevin Fries
From: Kevin Fries <A5783644665@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 19:52:04 +0000
Subject: Going Mobile
Hi guys,
When I first bought my ML, I did not anticipate that it would be
as useful as it is. I am seriously thinking of upgrading my 1000 to
either a 2000 or an Envoy150. Without starting a turf war, I was
wondering if anyone else could help me make a wiser decision.
My real goal is to go completely wireless within the next year. I
looked at the wireless service from the Motorola web site, and it was
not very good at all, I think it was called ARDIS. The coverage did
not even go as far east as the airport. Part of my problem is that I
live in Denver and have to go into the mountains from time to time
(contrary to popular belief, Denver sits on very flat ground).
Wednesday, I need to go into the mountain areas to help someone. Even
though the cellular phones go up there, ARDIS does not. Since I can be
anywhere from Grand Junction to Sterling, Cheyenne to Pueblo, going
mobile will be a real time saver (probably nearly enough to counter-
balance the time explaining what my ML is )
So, I guess my real question is, what would be the easiest, most
cost effective way of keeping my ML info and communications up no mater
where I am. And, does the Motorola Envoy150 have an advantage over the
MagicLink 2000 in this area? Or, should I say, enough of an advantage
to justify the additional cost? I am really looking for people that
are basically doing what I am attempting. I am sure that I can't be
the first to try (though I might the first to try over 14,000 foot
peaks ).
Thanks
Kevin Fries
From: Shawn Jipp <A5193644654@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 18:54:33 +0000
Subject: Re: ARDIS/RAM
Their new numberis (800)87-ARDIS
///////Shawn Jipp
From: Diane Chun <A5213644616@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 18:19:01 +0000
Subject: AOL & SprintNet
Dear Magic Cappers
As of July 1st AOL has cut off all its Honolulu Magic Link users by
discontinuing its local SprintNet accesss number. The only access
number now available here is an AOLNet numbr, which does not support
the Magic Link. The PDA guys at AOL have been sympathetic, but there
doesn't seem to be a solution, other than using a California connect
number, if I want to continue to use AOL on my Magic Link.
Is this just a problem in Honolulu, or have some of the rest of you
also experienced this? Does AOL plan on changing all its SprintNet
access numbers to AOLNet numbers? Anybody know anything about this?
Thanks in advance.
Joe Solem
P.S. When PLink goes down I plan on going with Presto!Mail and a local
ISP.
From: Greg Satz <satz@CISCO.COM>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 13:09:29 -0700
Subject: Re: What is this
Poster: Kevin Fries
> So, if I hear you correctly, Presto!Mail will still send MagicMail like
> PLINK, but send it through the standard internet datapipe. Does that
> mean that if I set up a scheduled item in my date book, filled in the
> who, and pressed invite, They would receive the same email, with yes
> and no buttons to update their own schedule? If so, you made me feel
> much better about being dropped by PLINK.
Yes. Presto!Mail will encode non-text items for the communicator mail
recipient to see just as you sent them. Non-communicator based mail readers
will see uuencoded text. Maybe General Magic will see the usefulness of
telling people how they can decode their objects (hint :-) so other mail
readers can see the good stuff.
I am glad you feel good but it was due to the foresight of Active Paper and
General Magic.
Greg Satz
From: Rishi Oswal <risho9@MAIL.IDT.NET>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 16:49:36 -0400
Subject: prestotesto
This message contains mail encoded for MagicCap
--magicmail
uudecode
--magicmail
Content-Type: application/prestomail
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M*STLIM/5Y@,C0%\```$"!P```0#3Q@/2````\I@``!L?$````1%V```!`-3D
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M.?T2$OT#$A(2=$N`0
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MX/`.(1\?`A\?`2`>(1\@X/'R+Q\"(!\>'O'R(1`O'AX.#>V_H(#W`H#W`X#W
M`8#W`I+"X&"`"_V`#O^`$?Z`$?^`$@"`$`$`%@0```(`%@0```$`"?T,D".3
M#)!G``RP<8X,HGO]$A+]`Q(2$@G]#)#V``R1`9L`#+#B`/?]$A+]`Q)UQSX3
L4&QA=&9O
From: Paul Linhardt <plin@SONYSOFT.COM>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 13:50:35 -0700
Subject: Re: Going Mobile
Kevin,
The current wireless options available for the Magic Cap platform are:
- ARDIS for the Envoy
- Wireless Modem Link + Cell phone for Magic Link
- SkyTel pager card for Magic Link
The Envoy/ARDIS option is better integrated and generally speaking has wide
coverage, but is a bit pricy.
The Wireless Modem Link seems like the best solution for you since you have
cellular coverage in your area but not ARDIS coverage. Costs should be
lower, but you may be more suspectible to noisy connections. Below is an
extract from Sony's Electronics' web page description of this product.
-Paul
--------------------------
Wireless Modem Link Software Allows Users to Maximize
Productivity Anytime, Anywhere
SAN JOSE, February 20, 1996
Sony Electronics today announced the availability of its new Wireless Modem
Link* software, an easy-to-use package that lets users connect a Magic Link
communicator to a cellular phone, enabling wireless communication.
With Wireless Modem Link software, a cellular-ready PC modem card and a
cable, users can now send faxes, send or receive e-mail, and access the
Internet via their cellular phone. This wireless solution is available for
both models of the Magic Link communicator (PIC-1000 and PIC-2000).
....
[full text at: http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/Magic/wmlpr.html]
--------------
>Hi guys,
>...
> My real goal is to go completely wireless within the next year. I
>looked at the wireless service from the Motorola web site, and it was
>not very good at all, I think it was called ARDIS. The coverage did
>not even go as far east as the airport. Part of my problem is that I
>live in Denver and have to go into the mountains from time to time
>(contrary to popular belief, Denver sits on very flat ground).
>Wednesday, I need to go into the mountain areas to help someone. Even
>though the cellular phones go up there, ARDIS does not. Since I can be
>anywhere from Grand Junction to Sterling, Cheyenne to Pueblo, going
>mobile will be a real time saver (probably nearly enough to counter-
>balance the time explaining what my ML is )
> So, I guess my real question is, what would be the easiest, most
>cost effective way of keeping my ML info and communications up no mater
>where I am. And, does the Motorola Envoy150 have an advantage over the
>MagicLink 2000 in this area?
>Kevin Fries
---------------------
Sony New Technologies
http://www.sonysoft.com
1-800-739-7337
Attention! New e-mail address: plin@sonysoft.com
From: Paul Linhardt <plin@SONYSOFT.COM>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:13:26 -0700
Subject: communicator friendly web sites
"Matthew Y. Richardson" writes:
>Well, on our Magic Links, we won't be loading 25k imagemaps and inline
>AVI files. This "web browser" can be used for pages that have news
>stories on it. For example: a good page for this would be CNN
>interactive's text-only page. Or a page for weather. I know I won't be
>"surfing on my link" but rather requesting information I need.
>PS: I worte this with a PIC-1000 in mind.
Matty,
FYI, there is a section on our Sonysoft web site where we list
"communicator friendly" web sites (i.e. sites low on graphics and high on
informational content).
Contents include (http://www.sonysoft.com/sony/compages.html) :
Yahoo Directory
MovieLink Movies
Commercial Sites
Massive Internet Search Engine (Lycos)
Fast Search Engine (InfoSeek)
Popular Stocks
National Weather
ESPN Sports
David Letterman's top ten from CBS
SF Chronicle
SJ Mercury Classifieds
Bay Area Shopping & Dining
NYNEX Yellow Pages
Manhattan
If you have some suggestions for other communicator friendly web sites, let
us know.
-Paul
---------------------
Sony New Technologies
http://www.sonysoft.com
1-800-739-7337
Attention! New e-mail address: plin@sonysoft.com
From: "Kenny S. Irick" <kirick@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:33:14 -0700
Subject: Re: 2 SRAM Cards
This message contains mail encoded for MagicCap
--magicmail
Magic:
Michael H. Phillips writes:
> Has anyone used 2 SRAM cards on a PIC-2000
> at the same time? I have a 2meg card now and
> I was wondering if it would benefit me to get
> another?
I have a 2mb and a 1 mb card in my 2000. The only thing residing on the 2mb
card is the PrestoStuff. I will probably get another 2mb card in the future.
-------------------------
"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy"
Kenny S. Irick
kirick@ix.netcom.com
Mon., July 15, 1996
2:17 p.m.
-------------------------
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--magicmail--
From: George Hernandez <GRHB%RnD%RnD@GO50.COMP.PGE.COM>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 15:14:12 PDT
Subject: Re: Going Mobile
I have been using PIC1000, PIC2000 and the Envoy for the last year. In all
cases, going wireless is somewhat pricey. Cellular can be a royal pain
(depending on you phone, service, etc) as well as expensive. I have found a
few places where the envoy doesn't work, but for the most part it works fine.
I have used it in DIA many times. What you need to consider is what you are
going to use the wireless service for. If you are going to use it for user
groups like this, you better get a tight grip on your wallet unless you have
one of the wireless providers who only charge a flat rate. If you can
restrict your wireless use to short e-mails or targeted webpages, I think that
you will find the Envoy work better (if you can accept the hardware
shortcomings.
---------------------------------
George Hernandez
PG&E Research & Development
510-866-5646
grhb@pge.com
----------------------[Reply - Original Message]----------------------
Sent by:Paul Linhardt
Kevin,
The current wireless options available for the Magic Cap platform are:
- ARDIS for the Envoy
- Wireless Modem Link + Cell phone for Magic Link
- SkyTel pager card for Magic Link
The Envoy/ARDIS option is better integrated and generally speaking has wide
coverage, but is a bit pricy.
The Wireless Modem Link seems like the best solution for you since you have
cellular coverage in your area but not ARDIS coverage. Costs should be
lower, but you may be more suspectible to noisy connections. Below is an
extract from Sony's Electronics' web page description of this product.
-Paul
--------------------------
Wireless Modem Link Software Allows Users to Maximize
Productivity Anytime, Anywhere
SAN JOSE, February 20, 1996
Sony Electronics today announced the availability of its new Wireless Modem
Link* software, an easy-to-use package that lets users connect a Magic Link
communicator to a cellular phone, enabling wireless communication.
With Wireless Modem Link software, a cellular-ready PC modem card and a
cable, users can now send faxes, send or receive e-mail, and access the
Internet via their cellular phone. This wireless solution is available for
both models of the Magic Link communicator (PIC-1000 and PIC-2000).
....
[full text at: http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/Magic/wmlpr.html]
--------------
>Hi guys,
>...
> My real goal is to go completely wireless within the next year. I
>looked at the wireless service from the Motorola web site, and it was
>not very good at all, I think it was called ARDIS. The coverage did
>not even go as far east as the airport. Part of my problem is that I
>live in Denver and have to go into the mountains from time to time
>(contrary to popular belief, Denver sits on very flat ground).
>Wednesday, I need to go into the mountain areas to help someone. Even
>though the cellular phones go up there, ARDIS does not. Since I can be
>anywhere from Grand Junction to Sterling, Cheyenne to Pueblo, going
>mobile will be a real time saver (probably nearly enough to counter-
>balance the time explaining what my ML is )
> So, I guess my real question is, what would be the easiest, most
>cost effective way of keeping my ML info and communications up no mater
>where I am. And, does the Motorola Envoy150 have an advantage over the
>MagicLink 2000 in this area?
>Kevin Fries
---------------------
Sony New Technologies
http://www.sonysoft.com
1-800-739-7337
Attention! New e-mail address: plin@sonysoft.com
=====================================================================
From: "David Devaney, Jr." <daviddjr@shadow.net>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 17:25:32 EDT
Subject: Re: SRAM Card
On Mon, 15 Jul 1996 10:21:03 +0000 you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>begin 000 PrestoMail
>M`0!CQSX/4&5RM-D$S.3`T,#@U-C-&-3028@'-X1(2(`U293H@4U)!32!#87)D8
>-snip-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>What is this? I have PrestoMail. Is this encoded graphics not making it
>through PL?
Do you have the option, on the list, to add the delivery
information to each of your messages. I do and I am haveing
the same problem. I am wondering if I turn this option off
if I can get Presto!Mail to decode them. I can decode them
with Greg's UUDecode with no problem, as he mentioned in a
later message, so I would think this would work the way
P!Mail is supposed to work (If both sender and receiver have
P!mail they can exchange Magic messages.).
David Devaney, Jr.
daviddjr@shadow.net
From: "David Devaney, Jr." <daviddjr@shadow.net>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 17:31:07 EDT
Subject: Re: foo Presto!Mail 1.5 and ReplyReturn
On Mon, 15 Jul 1996 10:28:18 -0700 you wrote:
>It appears that Presto!Mail 1.5 (PPP/POP/SMTP version) and ReplyReturn work
>halfway together. ReplyReturn lets you set both your From: and Reply-To:
>addresses in outgoing email on PersonaLink. With Presto!Mail 1.5 it only
>works for the Reply-To: field.
>
>The Reply-To: mail field will have people who respond to your mail respond
>to the Reply-To address. The From: mail field makes it look like you sent
>your mail from that particular address. With From: you do not need
>Reply-To.
Would this have any effect on the problem that I reported to
the list, that no one acknowledged, where if I reply to a
message from the list with my communicator it doesn't get
posted to the list but sent to the original poster?
David Devaney, Jr.
daviddjr@shadow.net
From: "David Devaney, Jr." <daviddjr@shadow.net>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 18:32:50 EDT
Subject: Presto!Mail problems
Hello,
Recently Greg Satz and someone else posted problems with
Presto!Mail. Greg mentioned the disappearance of stamps. I
have had this problem since Beta but not to the same extent.
I just lose my Mail Rules stamp, usually after a
Presto!Mail associated long cleanup. What I found out is
that I can just drop the respective stamp back on the card
and the info will still be there. Ther other person
mentioned trying to re-create the card but wasn't able to
because it said there was already a card. Try doing what I
mentioned and see if it works.
The other problem also mentioned that Presto!Mail also
stalls and if he stops it it will go into a long cleanup.
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, if you haven't already, report this
to 1-888-CONJURE. I have had this problem also and I
reported it but they said they didn't know what to do and
that they hadn't had this reported by anyone else. At least
if you report it then I won't be the only one.
Also regarding the missing stamps I reporteds this many time
during the beta because it kept happening. LIke I said it
was only with the Rules stamp though but it wasn't fixed.
David Devaney, Jr.
daviddjr@shadow.net
From: Steve Knox <fortknox@DRIFTWOOD.COM>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:55:42 -0700
Subject: Re: What is this
Greg Satz wrote:
>
> Poster: Kevin Fries
> > So, if I hear you correctly, Presto!Mail will still send MagicMail like
> > PLINK, but send it through the standard internet datapipe. Does that
> > mean that if I set up a scheduled item in my date book, filled in the
> > who, and pressed invite, They would receive the same email, with yes
> > and no buttons to update their own schedule? If so, you made me feel
> > much better about being dropped by PLINK.
>
> Yes. Presto!Mail will encode non-text items for the communicator mail
> recipient to see just as you sent them. Non-communicator based mail readers
> will see uuencoded text. Maybe General Magic will see the usefulness of
> telling people how they can decode their objects (hint :-) so other mail
> readers can see the good stuff.
AFIK, the encoding is standard Magic Cap wireline encoding. Presto!Mail 1.0
(I believe 1.5 does it the same way) takes the Telecard, pulls all Text off
puts it into a standard Internet mail message (in case the recipient is NOT
Magic Cap based) and then takes the entire Telecard including the Text again,
all its children and attachements and encodes the whole thing in
one big blob that it attaches as a MIME compliant prestomail attachment.
I'm guessing but I assume the encoding is probably the ICF encoding used in
the standard MagicMail stuff simply because it was there and it works
(see class Wireline and the ICF docs).
Decoding on a non-MagicCap platform could be done but has several difficult
aspects:
- the decoding system must know something about Telecards and forms to
recreate the original Telecard so that all of the objects sitting on
the Telecard can be recovered. (There are a bunch of classes that go
into a fully functional Telecard that are really useless in this
situation because alot of it has to do with address, routing, etc that
is now being done by and RFC822 compatible header.)
- additionally, any and all objects that can get put onto a
Telecard need to be known at the recieving end in ICF format. The ICF
spec clearly discusses most of this but this is a bunch of work that
I doubt anyone would want to do on ALL (or even 1) other platform(s).
- Magic Cap wireline encoding typically sends identifiers instead of the
entire object for all well known MagicCap objects to save bandwidth.
All receving clients would need to know this list and how to render
native versions of the objects.
The more appropriate solution is to make Presto!Mail more capable. The MagicCap
objects should be converted individually to industry standard objects and then
MIME encoded seperately rather than encoded together. This allows the receiver
to decode as many items as possible to get the jist of the message and do it
using standard formats like GIF, JPEG, etc.
Things like scripted Buttons (in the above example) would probably need to be
converted into a Java applet before encoding to the message and sent to a Java
enabled mail client on the other end. Obviously there is still some work to be
done to get interplatform compatability of such a rich mail package as Magic
Cap can support. Most MIME mailers wouldn't know what to do with a scripted
button and the security aspects of an incoming Java script are still a
problem today.
Still, something for Magic and/or other enterprising developers to work on, eh?
Cheers,
Steve
--
Steve Knox (206) 775-6495
fortknox@driftwood.com Driftwood Systems, Inc
From: "D'Angelo, Leo" <Leo.D'Angelo@FMR.COM>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 19:01:00 -0400
Subject: Re: SRAM Card
I am no expert at this stuff by any means, but I can tell you I
do not have this problem. Do you have the rule "when a message arrives from
the internet
format it for readability" on?? Also I thought there was a rule to
automatically format messages
from presto!Mail but cannot remember where I saw it....
-LeoD
----------
From: Magic Cap Discussion List
To: A200749
Subject: Re: SRAM Card
Date: Monday, July 15, 1996 6:34PM
<>
On Mon, 15 Jul 1996 10:21:03 +0000 you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>begin 000 PrestoMail
>M`0!CQSX/4&5RM-D$S.3`T,#@U-C-&-3028@'-X1(2(`U293H@4U)!32!#87)D8
>-snip-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>What is this? I have PrestoMail. Is this encoded graphics not making it
>through PL?
Do you have the option, on the list, to add the delivery
information to each of your messages. I do and I am haveing
the same problem. I am wondering if I turn this option off
if I can get Presto!Mail to decode them. I can decode them
with Greg's UUDecode with no problem, as he mentioned in a
later message, so I would think this would work the way
P!Mail is supposed to work (If both sender and receiver have
P!mail they can exchange Magic messages.).
David Devaney, Jr.
daviddjr@shadow.net
From: Greg Satz <satz@CISCO.COM>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 20:04:15 -0700
Subject: Re: SRAM Card
Poster: "David Devaney, Jr."
> Do you have the option, on the list, to add the delivery
> information to each of your messages. I do and I am haveing
> the same problem. I am wondering if I turn this option off
> if I can get Presto!Mail to decode them. I can decode them
> with Greg's UUDecode with no problem, as he mentioned in a
> later message, so I would think this would work the way
> P!Mail is supposed to work (If both sender and receiver have
> P!mail they can exchange Magic messages.).
It could be that presto!mail only looks for certain parts of the messages
for the first fews lines. Note the --magicmail and --magicmail--
keywords. Maybe the additional lines added by the brown listserv offsets
those parts that Presto!Mail can't find them? UUDecode looks for ten lines
if I recall correctly.
Greg Satz
From: Greg Satz <satz@CISCO.COM>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 20:23:47 -0700
Subject: Re: foo Presto!Mail 1.5 and ReplyReturn
Poster: "David Devaney, Jr."
> Would this have any effect on the problem that I reported to
> the list, that no one acknowledged, where if I reply to a
> message from the list with my communicator it doesn't get
> posted to the list but sent to the original poster?
Magic Cap 1.0 on the PIC-1000 doesn't support Reply-To fields when you
reply. Magic Cap 1.5 on the Envoys (upgraded) and PIC-2000 does support the
Reply-To field when you reply. Maybe this is the problem?
ReplyReturn has nothing to do with what address Magic Cap replies to. It
tries to control what the people receiving your mail will reply
to. (Hopefully this makes sense).
Greg Satz
From: Wayne Sanderson <A5023644635@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 04:18:15 +0000
Subject: SprintNet phaseout
>Dear Magic Cap List,
>Sorry about the multiple postings.
>Thanks for your response, Shawn.
>No one else cares about this? No one knows anything or will >talk
about it? Everybody's using Presto!Mail and an ISP?
>Joe Solem
>Joe Solem@aol.com
Having recently put AOL behind me, I can sympathize with your
disappointment and dissatisfaction. It was not for lack of a SprintNet
dialup that I dumped AOL however. It was a combination of my building
ire at their lousy client software for MC communicators and their
deceptive(and I'm being REEEEEALLY nice on this) billing practices with
regards to my account that soured me, and the big cutoff day when the
network cut off all MC devices that made me blow up.
If AOL was interested in making nice with MC users they would already
have had an updated Magic America package ready that can access the
AOLNet 800 dialups and can spit out magicmail in a Presto!Mail
compatible format, while allowing access to their internet connection
for Presto!Links.
Don't hold your breath. If they counted up the number of complaints
that came in over the access blackout, then they have a pretty good
idea of how many of their subscribers are accessing via MC devices. If
that number is not high enough, then you can forget about ever getting
any of the above out of AOL. Additionally, the number of complaints
from specific areas could be used to make decisions about where
SprintNet numbers will be phased out next. Maybe they got few or no
blackout complaints from Honolulu.
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