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Tuesday July 09, 1996
From: Jon Whitney <A5613644656@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 07:35:20 +0000
Subject: 28.8 card modems
I'm definately going to have to agree with Kevin on the support note.
I have used both Magic-Link and Envoy and have endlessly recieved the
help I need. Recently I have addressed countless questions to this
list and to Motorolas help desk only to be greeted by the employees of
Motorola instantly. When I used a PIC1000 I used to get the same types
of response from Sony.
My current question for the group ("re:'s" would be nice) is with
regards to a 28.8 modem driver. I feel confident that this list is
monitored by 'concerned' companies, or at least those that intend to be
profitable. Maybe if a company were to introduce a 28.8 pcmcia modem
with a MC driver they would sell a few. Wouldn't
PrestoLinks/PrestoMail be cool if it ran at socially acceptable speeds?
Just an idea, response to the list would be appreciated.
jon whitney
From: "David Devaney, Jr." <daviddjr@shadow.net>
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 06:20:14 EDT
Subject: Posting from my communicator
Hello,
Well I think we already went through this once but I seem to be having problems again and I just wanted to check this, AGAIN. Sorry about wasting bandwidth but I'm sure there have been "lost" posts from other people too. I have a PIC1000 and am using Presto!Mail 1.5 to send email. It doesn't appear that tapping the reply button to reply to a post to the list sends the email to the list. I think it just sends it to the Poster. I have the option set to have a copy of messages I post to the list sent back to me. When I reply with my communicator I never see this copy.
This may have something to do with P!Mail but I doubt it. Has anyone else experienced this? Can anyone think why this might be happening?
I have changed the heading of the email address for the list from "Internet" to "Magic Cap" so it should say Magic Cap via my ISP from now on. I assume it should say the correct "via" or let you choose if the person is in your card file. I will see if it does in the future when I receive an email from the list and try to reply.
Any insight on this would be appreciated. I don't know if it applies to communicators with v1.5.
Thanks!
David Devaney, Jr.
From: "David Devaney, Jr." <daviddjr@shadow.net>
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 06:31:02 EDT
Subject: Re: 28.8 card modems
On Tue, 9 Jul 1996 07:35:20 +0000 you wrote:
___snip
>My current question for the group ("re:'s" would be nice) is with
>regards to a 28.8 modem driver. I feel confident that this list is
>monitored by 'concerned' companies, or at least those that intend to be
>profitable. Maybe if a company were to introduce a 28.8 pcmcia modem
>with a MC driver they would sell a few. Wouldn't
>PrestoLinks/PrestoMail be cool if it ran at socially acceptable speeds?
>Just an idea, response to the list would be appreciated.
It would also be very nice if this modem had a memory card built in, so-to-speak. Then thos of us with a PIC 1000 with only one slot could use it and not have to worry about trying to cram pertinent packages in main memory.
Another thing that would be nice is a driver to allow the use of an external modem from the MagicPort. I think the has been discussed before though.
David Devaney, Jr.
daviddjr@shadow.net
From: Shawn Jipp <A5193644654@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 11:44:51 +0000
Subject: Presto Links, etc
I have also now had Presto Links and Mail running since last Saturday.
I am enjoying both packages. I plan to drop my Personalink account in
a few weeks and just use my new Netcom address. I also just
discontinued using my AOL account.
I have a PIC-1000 with a 2 meg (used) Grid SRAM card which I purchased
from Surplus Technologies (214-224-7906). It works great.
You will definitely need a 2 meg SRAM card to use a PIC-1000 for WEB
browsing.
I have found some bugs in Presto 'Stuff' but no show stoppers. I can
connect to Netcom probably 90% of the times that I try.
///////Shawn Jipp
sjipp@ix.netcom.com
God's Creation / Milky Way
Sol System / Planet Earth
North America / USA
California / Silicon Valley
Sunnyvale
This Time Continuum
Now!
From: Rob Dahl <A5563644655@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 12:02:02 +0000
Subject: Re: Phone Accessory for PIC 1000
Dear Magic,
Headset ? $20 ok?
Let me know
Rob Dahl
From: Chuck Hacala <chacala@VCD.HP.COM>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 08:53:10 -0700
Subject: Is there a fix for a short Hallway?
With all of the great tips on how to shorten the street, I thought I'd ask
if anyone knows how to lengthen the hallway. My hallway doesn't extend far
enough to the right; I can only see half of the rightmost door and I can't
scroll far enough to reach the rightmost directory. I have tried Onno's
tool's Tidy Up command, but it doen't help. Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Chuck
From: Keith Felkins <A5393644684@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 16:17:47 +0000
Subject: Re: wanted, pic1000
Dear Magic,
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From: Wayne Sanderson <A5023644635@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 16:17:47 +0000
Subject: Re: 28.8 card modems
For what it's worth, I tried running a Cardinal 14.4 external modem
from the ML, using a 9 pin to 25 pin serial converter I had laying
around. Cujoterm would not talk to the modem. I tried sending AT
commands, etc. No dice. I guess I am a hard head. I had read here that
external modems were not yet ssupported, but I had not seen cujo
mentioned, and I had the adapter, so I gave it a shot. Speed is
addictive.
What we need here is a company that would produce a product along the
lines of the personal print cables, but with a 25 pin serial at the
end, and rom chips loaded with drivers for a bunch of external 14.4 and
28.8 modems.
From: MCW Online <mcwonline@genmagic.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 09:56:43 -0700
Subject: Re: Anyone have Presto!Mail connect script for worldnet
At 02:00 AM 7/9/96 GMT, Dana Moore wrote:
>unable to connect to worldnet.att.net site from Presto!Mail. wondering
>whther anyone else has been successful??
>regards,
>
Greetings,
We have become aware of a problem with connecting with AT&T's Worldnet
service. We are currently testing a patch and will be releasing it as soon
as possible.
For specific questions regarding PrestoMail/PrestoLinks you can,
Call- 1-888-Conjure
Email- Presto@genmagic.com
Best,
++++++++++++++++++++++
Joel Connors
Magic Cap Support
General Magic
Email at: mcwonline@genmagic.com
From: Bruce Tong <zztong@MAIL.EV.NET>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 13:12:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Is there a fix for a short Hallway?
> My hallway doesn't extend far enough to the right...
> Any suggestions?
A shot in the dark...
Have you tried packing up one or two of your hallway applications,
then unpacking them? Basically, doing those things which (ab)normally
make the Hallway too long. You might consider installing a new package
or two, even if you end up trashing them later.
--
Bruce Tong
Systems Programmer
Electronic Vision / Fitne
Work:
Phone : (614) 592-2511
Fax : (614) 592-2650
mailto:zztong@evi.ev.net
http://www.fitne.ev.net/
Play:
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mailto:zztong@aol.com
http://www.eurekanet.com/~zztong
From: "Kenny S. Irick" <kirick@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 10:49:20 -0700
Subject: Re: Anyone have Presto!Mail connect script for worldnet
This message contains mail encoded for MagicCap
--magicmail
Magic:
Dana Moore writes:
> unable to connect to worldnet.att.net site from
> Presto!Mail. wondering
> whther anyone else has been successful??
> regards,
After I purchased Presto!Mail and was shopping aroung for an ISP, I gave AT&T
a call. They told me that their service could be accessed ONLY with their
sotware.
Kenny.
-------------------------
"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy"
Kenny S. Irick
kirick@ix.netcom.com
Tue., July 9, 1996
11:15 a.m.
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From: Greg Satz <satz@CISCO.COM>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 13:27:37 -0700
Subject: Re: Anyone have Presto!Mail connect script for worldnet
Poster: "Kenny S. Irick"
> After I purchased Presto!Mail and was shopping aroung for an ISP, I gave AT&T
> a call. They told me that their service could be accessed ONLY with their
> sotware.
This is pretty remarkable if true. In this day of standards it seems like a
huge step backwards. I can understand from a customer service point of view
why they would wish they could do this.
Greg Satz
From: Samuel Solon <ssolon@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 16:51:25 -0600
Subject: Re: Anyone have Presto!Mail connect script for worldnet
At 08:27 PM 7/9/96 +0000, you wrote:
>Poster: "Kenny S. Irick"
>> After I purchased Presto!Mail and was shopping aroung for an ISP, I gave AT&T
>> a call. They told me that their service could be accessed ONLY with their
>> sotware.
>
>This is pretty remarkable if true. In this day of standards it seems like a
>huge step backwards. I can understand from a customer service point of view
>why they would wish they could do this.
>
>Greg Satz
>
Actually, that's not completely true. You have to use their software, with
Windows 95, to setup an account. Once that's done, and you've got the funky
username/password combination (which is different than your email
username/password) you can use other software.
I use Windows NT to connect and just transferred the signon information from
the 95 dialer into a RAS setup.
They do require the use of CHAP as the authorization protocol. So if you're
PPP software doesn't support CHAP, you're out of luck.
I haven't gotten Preso!Mail but I think there is a comment on the Magic web
page that there is a problem using it with Worldnet.
I hope they fix it since I'd really like to use it to check my mail when I'm
on the road.
Sam Solon
ssolon@worldnet.att.net
From: Greg Satz <satz@CISCO.COM>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 13:55:47 -0700
Subject: Re: 28.8 card modems
> It would also be very nice if this modem had a memory card built in, so-to-spe
> ak. Then thos of us with a PIC 1000 with only one slot could use it and not h
> ave to worry about trying to cram pertinent packages in main memory.
This would be a wonderful product but somehow I don't believe it would be
very successful. Low prices on things like pc cards assumes a very huge
market. The market for a combined modem/sram pc card probably wouldn't be
large enough to justify the product at a reasonable price.
> Another thing that would be nice is a driver to allow the use of an external m
> odem from the MagicPort. I think the has been discussed before though.
This would require a special cable which I think has also been requested on
this list recently. If it were just software I am sure someone would have
already done it by now. :-)
Greg Satz
From: Greg Satz <satz@CISCO.COM>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 13:51:44 -0700
Subject: Re: 28.8 card modems
Poster: Jon Whitney
> PrestoLinks/PrestoMail be cool if it ran at socially acceptable speeds?
> Just an idea, response to the list would be appreciated.
The 28.8kbit question is whether PrestoMail/MagicCap/PIC/Envoy will run at
higher speeds.
Greg Satz
From: "Joel Apisdorf (CTR)" <apisdorf@MCI.NET>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 20:34:14 -0400
Subject: Subject: does Presto!Links / Presto!Mail support CHAP?
the readme files are not clear on the subject
does anyone know?
MCI absolutely requires it for their PPP access
From: Bruce Porter <A5113644672@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 00:58:52 +0000
Subject: Re: Anyone have Presto!Mail connect script for worldnet
At 02:00 AM 7/9/96 GMT, Dana Moore wrote:
>unable to connect to worldnet.att.net site from Presto!Mail. wondering
>whther anyone else has been successful??
>regards,
I had virtually no trouble connecting to PPP, and browsing the web,
including mapquest.com. I had to play around with the POP login &
password, but got it to work. I believe the settings are:
POP server = postoffice.worldnet.att.net
login = (mail address without the @worldnet.att.net)
password = (unencrypted password you used when registering. In
contrast, the PPP password is the encrypted one found in your att.sr
file.)
>I gave AT&T a call. They told >me that their service could be
>accessed ONLY with their >sotware.
Sotware?
Maybe you can only register with the AT&T disks, but you CAN access an
existing account on a ML.
bruce.porter@worldnet.att.net
From: Greg Satz <A5303644644@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 01:49:18 +0000
Subject: SoftModem
I just finished reading the press release for SoftModem. I had trouble
parsing the press-release speak. I believe I know what it is. Can
anyone explain what problem it solves?
Thanks,
Greg Satz
From: TC Lai <tclai@UCLA.EDU>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 20:13:05 -0700
Subject: Re: 28.8 card modems
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>For what it's worth, I tried running a Cardinal 14.4 external modem
>from the ML, using a 9 pin to 25 pin serial converter I had laying
>around. Cujoterm would not talk to the modem. I tried sending AT
>commands, etc. No dice. I guess I am a hard head. I had read here that
>external modems were not yet ssupported, but I had not seen cujo
>mentioned, and I had the adapter, so I gave it a shot. Speed is
>addictive.
Is this the Mac adapter cable or the PC adapter cable you attached the
serial converter to? Could you have needed a null modem adapter (since the
cable already acts as a sort of null modem, you need to reverse it...)
>What we need here is a company that would produce a product along the
>lines of the personal print cables, but with a 25 pin serial at the
>end, and rom chips loaded with drivers for a bunch of external 14.4 and
>28.8 modems.
Now this is what bugs me - if you had a real serial connection, you wouldn't
need a modem driver, just the appropriate commands.
Could any hardware people cast any light on this subject? I know that there
is a signal difference that the adapter cable is supposed to compensate for,
and I do know that there is an all-in-one cable with the print drivers built
into a minature rom (which I assume is self-sensing and uploads whichever
driver you need.) However, standalone modems only communicate over a serial
connection (ie, ATA, etc.).
Is the problem the ML, the cable, or the modem?
TC
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From: Greg Satz <satz@CISCO.COM>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 20:39:33 -0700
Subject: Re: 28.8 card modems
Poster: TC Lai
> Could any hardware people cast any light on this subject? I know that there
> is a signal difference that the adapter cable is supposed to compensate for,
> and I do know that there is an all-in-one cable with the print drivers built
> into a minature rom (which I assume is self-sensing and uploads whichever
> driver you need.) However, standalone modems only communicate over a serial
> connection (ie, ATA, etc.).
I am not a hardware person but I have followed this issue on the mailing
list where it has been explained a few times. [An aside, has anyone set up
a WAIS search on the MagicCap mailing list archives?]
Basically the connector on the side of the communicator that plugs into our
desktop computers isn't a serial port but a high-speed bus. Apparently the
bus can be configured to speak serial asynchronous bits. With the GDT cable
I believe it can also act like a parallel port as well. It would seem the
communicator hardware designers decided a higher-speed bus interface that
could be converted to other interface types would be more flexible. The
goal was a simple connection mechanism that would be easy for the customer
to use and require little to no configuration.
In hindsight it limited the choices for the customer base since very few
cable types are available. It isn't clear why so few cable types are
available. Small market size and cable cost (mfg and design) are my
guesses. I never did learn why it took GDT so long to get their cable to
market.
At a GM developer conference a magic bus connector was shown that connected
to a VGA monitor and displayed what was on the communicator's screen. I
believe this example conveys the design goals quite well.
I agree that a magic bus to DB25 (or whatever the standard modem connector
type is these days) would be quite useful. I don't know if the cable would
garner many buyers, however.
Greg Satz
From: Richard Brodsky <rbro@TALENTWORKS.COM>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 21:12:31 -0700
Subject: Re: Presto Mail
Since I dumped Plink and got Presto Mail, I can no longer send to "AOL
via the internet" Why?
Richard Brodsky
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From: Wayne Sanderson <A5023644635@ATTPLS.NET>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 05:25:19 +0000
Subject: 'I Wish' #372
>I agree that a magic bus to DB25 (or whatever the standard >modem
connector type is these days) would be quite useful. >I don't know if
the cable would garner many buyers, >however.
I would settle for being able to spend 5 bucks on the magic bus
connector itself and just roll my own cables. While I was at it I would
give a multi plug connect cable a shot. The magic link device specs
call for the magic bus to have the SCSI-like ability to support 7
devices. Another promise of the platform that has not been realized. A
docking station for the ML that contains a vga monitor, speakers, a
28800 modem, and some more sram or other memory that could be used to
facilitate cache and storage of web pages might present a few hurdles,
but the port should be up to it. And at a listed speed of 38400 bps,
there is no reason why a 28800 or even 33600 external modem could not
be made to work at their maximum rated speed if the ML could be made
compatible with the modem.
From: AJ Wright <aj@GS1.CINTI.NET>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 01:51:16 -0400
Subject: Re: MAGICCAP Digest - 8 Jul 1996 to 9 Jul 1996
Does anyone know which of these packages can be eliminated with the 1.0f
Sony enhancement (on a MagicLink 1000)? I was told some of them could be
deleted but not which ones.
I have MailSwitcher, Alarmed Again, UUDecode, Steve's Mail Tools and
Onno's Tools.
AJ
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